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jimi_hendrix
January 24th, 2009, 12:30 AM
i have noticed that a lot of forum goers are trekkies...so whats your favorite series?

sirjoebob
January 24th, 2009, 12:43 AM
Good post.

I am a new Trekkie. I decided to watch TOS when they announced the movie. Thanks to cbs.com, I am almost through then entire season. Then I am on to the movies and TNG. I have loved every episode of TOS and thought that it was a very bold series that pushed the limits of effects and society for when it was created.

sydbat
January 24th, 2009, 12:58 AM
In order:

TV

TOS
Voyager
ST:NG
DS:9
Enterprise
Animated

Movies

First Contact
Wrath of Kahn
Voyage Home
The Undiscovered Country
Motion Picture
Generations
Insurrection
The Final Frontier
Nemesis
The Search for Spock

Can't wait for the new movie...yes I am a geek...

abn91c
January 24th, 2009, 01:08 AM
Maybe the poll should be Seven of Nine or T'Pol ;)

jimi_hendrix
January 24th, 2009, 01:11 AM
ive seen all of TOS and 1 episode of next gen...i love TOS but next gen had no fighting...:(

you cant beat kirk kung-fuing klingons...

y6FgBn)~v
January 24th, 2009, 01:14 AM
Jimi watch some more of TNG series, Worf kicks some serious @$$ in some of those episodes lol

sirjoebob
January 24th, 2009, 01:15 AM
ive seen all of TOS and 1 episode of next gen...i love TOS but next gen had no fighting...:(

you cant beat kirk kung-fuing klingons...

Lame. Maybe I will pass on TNG then. lol. I love the fight scenes.

jimi_hendrix
January 24th, 2009, 01:16 AM
Lame. Maybe I will pass on TNG then. lol. I love the fight scenes.

ive only seen 1 episode...so...

anyone got a place i can watch some more TNG free, online, legally?

sirjoebob
January 24th, 2009, 01:29 AM
anyone got a place i can watch some more TNG free, online, legally?

I checked Hulu and tv.com and found nothing. I have been watching TOS through Hulu (links to CBS).

Aenoble
January 24th, 2009, 02:44 AM
The Kirk era movies are the best out of everything.

Solicitous
January 24th, 2009, 02:57 AM
For me it is TNG (I have all the DVDs, inc all currently 10 released Star Trek movies). Picard comes across as a well educated and sophisticated man. TOS would be second on my list. Never got into the rest.

wolfen69
January 24th, 2009, 03:11 AM
i grew up when TOS was new, so i'm partial to that. TNG is good though. don't care for the others.

NewJack
January 24th, 2009, 04:39 AM
Here are mine in order:

TOS (Because like was said before, it broke so many barriers at the time it came out)
Next Generation
DS:9
Voyager
Enterprise

Movies

Wrath of Kahn
The Undiscovered Country
First Contact
The Search for Spock
Voyage Home
Motion Picture
Generations
Insurrection
The Final Frontier
Nemesis


The trailer for the new movie looks pretty good. Can't wait to check it out.

etnlIcarus
January 24th, 2009, 05:10 AM
Maybe the poll should be Seven of Nine or T'Pol ;)

I vote Ezri Dax ...or Trip.


Anyway, I voted Enterprise. First two seasons were largely a snore but at the very least, the writing wasn't nearly as obnoxious as in other series.

Seasons 3 and 4 on the other hand, was the most ambitious effort ST has ever seen. Long plot arks, complex adult relationships, darker themes and the most indulgent and addictive space opera/action-based premises any ST series has ever seen.

S4 of Enterprise made me feel like I'd wasted countless hours of my life watching other Star Treks. It's honestly difficult to go back and watch any of the earlier stuff, now. It just seems so utterly crap by comparison, with the possible exception of Wrath of Khan and the Dominion war saga in DS9.

Crafty Kisses
January 24th, 2009, 05:13 AM
I'm going to have to go with Deep Space Nine.

jimi_hendrix
January 24th, 2009, 01:47 PM
The trailer for the new movie looks pretty good. Can't wait to check it out.

premise of new movie? ive heard its where picard and kirk meet or i am a lunatic...

sirjoebob
January 24th, 2009, 02:03 PM
premise of new movie? ive heard its where picard and kirk meet or i am a lunatic...

The new movie, from my understanding, takes the story back to the beginning. It starts with a very young James T. Kirk and goes through starfleet academy. Check out the imdb page for more: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/

etnlIcarus
January 24th, 2009, 02:16 PM
The new movie, from my understanding, takes the story back to the beginning. It starts with a very young James T. Kirk and goes through starfleet academy. Check out the imdb page for more: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/

The new film looks very iffy to me (plus I'm not a JJ Abrams fan, either).

The plot also abuses time travel to get around canon, with Nemo; some Romulan from Picard's time, travelling back to kill Kirk's parents who are serving on the, "USS Kelvin", so that Kirk is raised by his abusive uncle and grows up to be obnoxious and full of **** (which is different to the original timeline Kirk how?).

This is where Leonard Nimoy's Spock also travels back in time to restore the timeline by apparently having Cap't Pike take brat-Kirk under his wing so he can become Starfleet material.

...

Basically, the story is bats**t-crazy, even by sci-fi standards.

Eisenwinter
January 24th, 2009, 02:18 PM
Am I the only one on this forum who has never seen Star Trek?

I have also only seen Star Wars for the first time, about 2 weeks ago.

jimi_hendrix
January 24th, 2009, 02:28 PM
The new film looks very iffy to me (plus I'm not a JJ Abrams fan, either).

The plot also abuses time travel to get around canon, with Nemo; some Romulan from Picard's time, travelling back to kill Kirk's parents who are serving on the, "USS Kelvin", so that Kirk is raised by his abusive uncle and grows up to be obnoxious and full of **** (which is different to the original timeline Kirk how?).

This is where Leonard Nimoy's Spock also travels back in time to restore the timeline by apparently having Cap't Pike take brat-Kirk under his wing so he can become Starfleet material.

...

Basically, the story is bats**t-crazy, even by sci-fi standards.

and this leads us to the menagerie episode

etnlIcarus
January 24th, 2009, 02:37 PM
and this leads us to the menagerie episode

Not necessarily. The people in charge of what they're calling the, "relaunch", and, "reinvention", of Star Trek have decided to use the whole premise of Nemo/Spock screwing up the timeline as an excuse to ignore Star Trek canon. It's going to be their catch-all for all the creative leaps they're taking and planning to take, should this new movie prove enough of a success not to shelf the IP for a couple of decades.

butlins
January 24th, 2009, 02:43 PM
Never seen one yet :-k

geoken
January 24th, 2009, 04:01 PM
I also like Enterprise the best because it really expands on the Star Trek universe with continuous plots.

I was always the most fascinated by the Vulcans, so I like how the series so heavily focuses on Vulcan, Vulcan history, the Vulcan Human relationship in the early federation, etc.

All of them post TOS we're really good though. It seems that every series needed to go a few seasons before it found it's groove and sunk into a Race/Conflict on which they based a continuing story line(Borg, Vulcans, Dominion War). I think they perfected this with Deep Space Nine because being a space station obviously forced the series to divert from the typical, formulaic episode structure where they travel to a planet, see a problem, resolve it in 47 minutes and then never mention that planet/race again. With DS9, they were kind of forced to come up with continuing story lines because they only had a few planets to work with. The main problem with DS9 was that Cisco was the worst captain in the history of the series, and especially bad when compared to his intimidate predecessor, Picard. His acting was horrid and his character was mind numbingly annoying.

eragon100
January 24th, 2009, 04:14 PM
Why are all the freely available fan made series not in the poll?

My favorite star trek serie would be hidden frontier and it's spinoffs.
(oddysey, helena chronicles, and federation one.)

www.hiddenfrontier.com

Hidden frontier has 50 episodes, but is finished. The first season isn't that good ("learning experience") but after that it becomes great. The six other seasons are awesome.

The spinoffs are cool as well. You can get everything for free from the producer's webpage I linked above.

Another good star trek fans series is star trek new voyages. It's the same to as TOS and has the same characters, only other actors. Sometimes tough the original actors play in the episodes (!). Their last episode, "blood and fire" is based on an original TOS script that never got filmed. It was originally set to be made a TOS episode, but now they made it. In other words, they used an original, never filmed, script (!!)

Their website is at: www.startreknewvoyages.com :wink:

NewJack
January 25th, 2009, 05:48 PM
The new film looks very iffy to me (plus I'm not a JJ Abrams fan, either).

The plot also abuses time travel to get around canon, with Nemo; some Romulan from Picard's time, travelling back to kill Kirk's parents who are serving on the, "USS Kelvin", so that Kirk is raised by his abusive uncle and grows up to be obnoxious and full of **** (which is different to the original timeline Kirk how?).

This is where Leonard Nimoy's Spock also travels back in time to restore the timeline by apparently having Cap't Pike take brat-Kirk under his wing so he can become Starfleet material.

...

Basically, the story is bats**t-crazy, even by sci-fi standards.

I hadn't read the whole backstory on this film, just saw the trailer. If what you post is accurate, I'll wait for it to hit DVD and not waste my $$$. I'll just consider it another Sci-Fi flick.

CptPicard
January 25th, 2009, 06:30 PM
Well, it's no contest for me.. ;) I in particular like the style of that one particular character, I always wanted to be "just like him when I grow up" :)

blueshiftoverwatch
January 25th, 2009, 07:15 PM
Star Trek Voyager.

etnlIcarus
January 26th, 2009, 02:59 AM
I hadn't read the whole backstory on this film, just saw the trailer. If what you post is accurate, I'll wait for it to hit DVD and not waste my $$$. I'll just consider it another Sci-Fi flick.

Yeah, I've just gone by what the press releases have said.

MikeTheC
January 26th, 2009, 03:27 AM
TOS, primarily because of the stories, and the fact that it was well before the era of "political correctness" and such.

To use a line from Captain Picard, "it would be inappropriate" for me to try to rank the various series, since I have not watched most of them. I can say only that I have watched every episode of The Original Series multiple times, that I have watched pretty much every episode of the first four seasons of The Next Generation, that I have watched fully only seasons one and two of Enterprise, and that I have watched The Animated Series not at all. Anything beyond that is strictly hit-or-miss, and in the case of both DS9 and Voyager, I have probably not watched fully a dozen episodes of both in total.

As far as the movies, here is my order of preference:

ST II: The Wrath of Khan
ST III: The Search for Spock
ST X: Nemesis
ST IX: Insurrection
ST IV: The Voyage Home
ST I: The Motion Picture
ST VI: The Undiscovered Country
ST VII: Generations
ST V: The Final Frontier
ST VIII: First Contact

etnlIcarus
January 26th, 2009, 03:33 AM
TOS, primarily because of the stories, and the fact that it was well before the era of "political correctness" and such.Translation: mini-skirts.

Also, the original series was very politically correct. Men and women from many different ethnic backgrounds serving on a military vessel = extremely politically correct for 1960's USA.

I-75
January 26th, 2009, 04:17 AM
I only been interested in the original series from the 1960's.

hanzomon4
January 26th, 2009, 04:18 AM
DS9...

No way Sisko was the worst! Bald era Sisko = Badass Mutha******

MikeTheC
January 26th, 2009, 04:36 AM
Translation: mini-skirts.

Also, the original series was very politically correct. Men and women from many different ethnic backgrounds serving on a military vessel = extremely politically correct for 1960's USA.

Nah, I wouldn't think so, actually.

And what I meant by not being "politically correct" was the lack of trying to feminize the male characters and admitting that members of Starfleet are actually soldiers. Wow, what a concept.

Actually, having "negro" characters as officers and coming ->| |<- this close to an interracial kiss was anything but politically "correct" for the 1960s. It was actually very controversial, and as I recall Gene Roddenberry had to fight some pretty significant battles just to get what little racial integration he did.

Personally, I think both Gene and, later, Glen Larson, are to be commended for their inclusion and fair treatment of black Americans in their respective eras of sci-fi shows. And now I don't think anyone could imagine doing a TV show which deliberately excluded characters based on race or gender. I know I can't.

etnlIcarus
January 26th, 2009, 05:29 AM
Nah, I wouldn't think so, actually.

And what I meant by not being "politically correct" was the lack of trying to feminize the male characters and admitting that members of Starfleet are actually soldiers. Wow, what a concept.

Actually, having "negro" characters as officers and coming ->| |<- this close to an interracial kiss was anything but politically "correct" for the 1960s. It was actually very controversial, and as I recall Gene Roddenberry had to fight some pretty significant battles just to get what little racial integration he did.

Personally, I think both Gene and, later, Glen Larson, are to be commended for their inclusion and fair treatment of black Americans in their respective eras of sci-fi shows. And now I don't think anyone could imagine doing a TV show which deliberately excluded characters based on race or gender. I know I can't.

Think we've got a fundamental difference of opinion over what political correctness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness) means.

EdThaSlayer
January 26th, 2009, 06:23 AM
I thought that Star Trek Voyager was the best series. First of all, it's very and I mean very "gone to where no man has gone before" type of series as they are stranded in a strange new quadrant. On the way they get some nice fancy technology and meet one of my favorite species/race--the Borg. We used to have a Borg queen around the forums some time ago I think. But overall it has all the cool action and has one of the best, and one of my favorite Vulcan characters->Tuvok. Acting is brilliant, stories are thrilling, and its setting on just a "ship" in the Federation will stun you. Must watch people, must watch. :p

MikeTheC
January 26th, 2009, 06:41 AM
Think we've got a fundamental difference of opinion over what political correctness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness) means.

Yes, I suppose we do. Sadly, there is some pretty significant bias in that Wikipedia article, though it does get some points right.

My biggest issues with what I've seen of the follow-on Star Trek series are the agendas I perceive as being inserted into much of the programming. I'd love to go further with that train of thought, but sadly we're probably risking a thread locking right now; and clearly, this is in no way connected to "open-source politics".

Thank you for your comments.

etnlIcarus
January 26th, 2009, 06:58 AM
Yes, I suppose we do. Sadly, there is some pretty significant bias in that Wikipedia article, though it does get some points right.

My biggest issues with what I've seen of the follow-on Star Trek series are the agendas I perceive as being inserted into much of the programming. I'd love to go further with that train of thought, but sadly we're probably risking a thread locking right now; and clearly, this is in no way connected to "open-source politics".

Thank you for your comments.

Again we have a difference of opinion. TNG and the latter series liked to bring up issues of the day in some abstract context and then wuss the **** out 5 minutes before the closing credits. They'd create a story about a member of an uptight, genderless species identifying them self as female (no guesses to figure out what this is an analogy for). How does the story end? She gets put through a brainwashing programme, no longer wants to be female and the issue just disappears, while the camera pans out on Riker pulling a 'sadfase'.

Forget for a minute that ST takes place in a socialist paradise where everything is sunshine and farts, we can't follow the story through to it's logical conclusion, we'd be accused of having an agenda!.

MikeTheC
January 26th, 2009, 07:03 AM
Again we have a difference of opinion. TNG and the latter series liked to bring up issues of the day in some abstract context and then wuss the **** out 5 minutes before the closing credits. They'd create a story about a member of an uptight, genderless species identifying them self as female (no guesses to figure out what this is an analogy for). How does the story end? She gets put through a brainwashing programme, no longer wants to be female and the issue just disappears, while the camera pans out on Riker pulling a 'sadfase'.

Forget for a minute that ST takes place in a socialist paradise where everything is sunshine and farts, we can't follow the story through to it's logical conclusion, we'd be accused of having an agenda!.

Plus-FIVEs this post before the thread gets locked. :)

CraigPaleo
January 26th, 2009, 07:43 AM
I voted for "Enterprise" because of the continuity and that they were on their own. The others' episodes could stand on their own. I never wanted to miss the latest episode of Enterprise as I'd need it to understand the next more thoroughly.

Voyager would be second on my list because they were pretty much on their own but the episodes were as well.

Having said that, I do love the nostalgia, the first interracial kiss, and the general progressiveness of TOS.

MikeTheC
January 26th, 2009, 07:51 AM
Vis a vis Enterprise, I think my single favorite was the two-part story "Through a Mirror, Darkly". I loved seeing what an original Constitution Class ship could really do, and it was nice to be able to see it from all kinds of angles.

I don't know that I really liked the characterizations totally, though. I wish I could have had the helm for that story; I would have made a number of details different, and I could have really had you hating the characters a lot more.

etnlIcarus
January 26th, 2009, 07:58 AM
The cartoonish evil-twin characters was both the best and worst aspect of Through a Mirror, Darkly.

MikeTheC
January 26th, 2009, 08:27 AM
The cartoonish evil-twin characters was both the best and worst aspect of Through a Mirror, Darkly.
Word.

I loved the way they overpowered and escaped that asteroid dry dock facility (in fact, I really like the use of that kind of facility and wish we would have seen a bit more of that throughout the franchise) and I also liked Archer's use of Defiant's far-superior weaponry to totally waste the enemies of the assault fleet.

However, they really were cartoonish. Whomever instructed the cast to play "against character" did a lousy job. But then, "if it ain't on the page, it ain't on the stage". You know?

billgoldberg
January 26th, 2009, 09:41 AM
ToS is the best by far.

They are really exploring the Universe, while in other series this isn't really the case (actually going down to the planet).

Kirk and Spock beaming down to some world with some crew members only to get bullied around by an old ancient Greek God, how does such stories not rock?

TNG is pretty good too.

The rest not so much.

CraigPaleo
January 26th, 2009, 09:56 AM
You-all are really into this! I shall subscribe to this thread. :)

rucadulu
April 22nd, 2009, 05:22 AM
Enterprise and Voyager can you guess why?

swoll1980
April 22nd, 2009, 05:33 AM
Next Generation was better on so many levels.

lisati
April 22nd, 2009, 05:49 AM
TOS, TNG, Voyager, maybe Enterprise, occasionally DS9.
Haven't seen the animated series yet.

My "Trek" DVD library includes a "Time Travel" boxed set with episodes from most of the TV series (the only ones missing are Enterprise and animated), a disk with 3 episodes from the first season of TOS, First Contact, & Nemesis.

Saint Angeles
April 22nd, 2009, 06:12 AM
im not a trekkie by any means... but i'm not against star trek at all. I really liked The Undiscovered Country and First Contact. I wish i had watched the series a lot more... Voyager always looked really interesting with that chick that used to be Borg.

I think the Borg is badass.

lisati
April 22nd, 2009, 06:14 AM
Voyager always looked really interesting with that chick that used to be Borg.
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Yes, "Seven of nine" does have some interesting attributes. Hush now, don't tell my wife!

pbpersson
April 22nd, 2009, 06:19 AM
I am an avid Trek fan......going all the way back to 1967. Yes, I got to see TOS when it was all brand new :o

when TNG first came out I hated it because there was no Kirk or Spock but now it is my favorite. I think they did SUCH a good job on those!

My next favorite is Voyager.

Recently they re-mastered TOS with new sound, cleaned up video, and new special effects. I had TiVo grab 50 of the original episodes before the machine died and I burned those to DVD and got to revisit my old favorites.

The only bad thing is.....I still remember how they were 40 years ago so I can see what is missing :(

go2dell
April 22nd, 2009, 06:31 AM
We really need multiple choice for that poll.

I'll chime in and say TNG was my favorite, but Voyager runs a close second since it was truest to GR's original vision, with little interference from the network powers, compared to the frequent "interventions" they made in TOS -- which included giving it the axe well before its time. Then again, Voyager was running on a network that depended on Star Trek for the bulk of its income, so they were likely a bit more free with the creative reins than NBC ever was.

DS9 was easily the darkest, which is why plenty of people don't like it, but I rather enjoyed seeing that even in the utopian Star Trek future there were conflicts that just couldn't be solved. I think it added a greater appreciation for just how good life was for everybody else in the Federation. And let's face it, DS9 covered it all: slavery, genocide, racism, religious intolerance, right-wing and left-wing extremism, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. The good guys didn't always win. Sometimes nobody won.

I'm glad to see that there were quite a few people who appreciated those zany Enterprise stories. They were pretty bold with trying new things in sci-fi storytelling, and in most ways managed to merge the happy-go-lucky TNG/Voyager feel with the foreboding of DS9.

For those who want to see mini-skirts, don't forget the plethora of men in mini-skirts in TNG. :-D