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    Re: suse is microsoft?

    Quote Originally Posted by glotz View Post
    I really fail to see the significance of anything going on in Darfur to this discussion.

    Micro$oft has a long history of abuses, it's a convicted monopolist and hasn't changed its ways a bit. No thanks to the US supreme court and the Bush administration.

    Computers are very significant machines. And very different from most the other machines we have. We have for example a sewing machine, a washing machine and a telly, all of those are single purpose, limited machines. A computer is a free machine, you can use it to do pretty much anything you can dream. Many people agree that the printing press was one the defining inventions of the past that really made it possible to spread knowledge and helped tremendously improve peoples lives. Those presses were mighty big things, still slow and expensive to operate and didn't produce verbatim copies, unlike what todays computers can instantly and at no cost at all.

    Micro$oft is making it a terrible experience for everybody to use computers. By limiting your use of the hardware and of their software and by making sure its operating system is preinstalled on pretty much all computer units sold. All they care about is making a buck.

    I could talk about Chicago and IE 6 and criminal negligence but I won't. You can find information about these elsewhere if you're interested. Ditto spam and botnets.

    I don't know if you're familiar with the ooxml episode? The 'standard' that says for example you must do things like word 95 does it! Micro$oft corrupted the ISO by bribery.

    Another example of Micro$oft bribes is the olpc project, a project born to deliver open hardware and software for children in the developing countries to learn about the world and about computing. Now they face more expensive machines because XP wouldn't run on the original machines and EULAs that say among other things they of course cannot take a look at the windoze source code, all this thanks to a little check written to Mr. Negroponte.

    Micro$oft was a member of the W3C when the internet standards were drafted. Yet Micro$oft chose not to implement the standards in IE 1 in a nasty move that has lead to the broken internet of today. Think what the internet would be like if it actually worked.

    Perhaps you've heard about "trusted computing" and drm? Micro$oft is a champion of those things. And then of course, software patents.

    I really haven't spent too much time studying the evil ways of Micro$oft and have no behind the scenes insider information. Yet, the things stated above quite easily convince me that it's not just another company. More like it, just another evil to the core company.
    My point is that there are worse things in the world than a convicted monopolist. If you don't like Microsoft, don't use their products. If you don't like Novell, don't use their products. Just let other people make up their own minds.

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    Re: suse is microsoft?

    Quote Originally Posted by cardinals_fan View Post
    My point is that there are worse things in the world than a convicted monopolist. If you don't like Microsoft, don't use their products. If you don't like Novell, don't use their products. Just let other people make up their own minds.
    Exactly, part of freedom is the freedom of choice. Deal with it, or you don't deserve to have any freedoms at all.

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    Re: suse is microsoft?

    Quote Originally Posted by cardinals_fan View Post
    My point is that there are worse things in the world than a convicted monopolist. If you don't like Microsoft, don't use their products. If you don't like Novell, don't use their products. Just let other people make up their own minds.
    True True...
    Although the Original debate was about Linux users who criticise the Novell/Microsoft deal and then turn around and say they will not use anything to do with Novell... As said before, You cannot Use Linux, no matter What Distro, without Novell code in it since Novell contribute to anything from Applications, to Gui's to the Kernel itself....

    So If anybody else out there says they will not use Anything to do with Novell because they do not approve of their business partnership with Microsoft to Improve Linux interoperability... Then don't use Linux at All.. Otherwise your just Putting your own foot in your mouth and being a Hypocrite.


    Damn this debate is lonnnggg, can we close it now that we have reached a Final Conclusion? hahaha.

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    Re: suse is microsoft?

    Quote Originally Posted by symon1980 View Post
    Damn this debate is lonnnggg, can we close it now that we have reached a Final Conclusion? hahaha.
    Not really. I do competitive debate at school, and it's much more stressful

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    Re: suse is microsoft?

    Just to chime in with some knowledge I know after research....

    1 - I used openSUSE when this was annouced. I found a few facts that cannot be avoided
    - Novell does support open source a simple look at this page will tell all that is needed: http://www.novell.com/company/affiliations/

    Second, as said before:
    In 2008, Novell provided 8.9% of the total contributions to the Linux kernel itself, with a total of 7,385 changes to the kernel.
    You cannot agrue that point.

    2 - Saying you do not want to use openSUSE due to this is like saying you do not want to use any software that allows Linux and Windows to work together because you are "supporting" the use of Windows. Like it or not, people will always use closed source software and to promote a better "computing world" people have to work together, open and closed source wise.

    3 - I was the not the happiest when this news was annouced, like many people were not, but, unless something crazy happens and Novell starts putting hacks into the kernel, there is no reason not to be thankful for the work they do. Needless to say, in order for them to do this work they need money, and if it means teaming up with Microsoft, then so be it.

    This agruement has gone on too long. Like it was said many times before:

    Part of having free software is free choice, and if you feel that people shouldn't use Novell's software now, great, but there is no need to force your opinion on people. That is a "closed source" idea.
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    Re: suse is microsoft?

    Quote Originally Posted by glotz View Post

    Businesses care about money, that's for sure. And that's why I believe that community based distros like e.g. Debian are much more likely to make decisions that are good for the user instead of good for themselves.
    probably one of the few things i've heard from you i actually agree with. but don't expect hugs and kisses anytime soon.

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    Re: suse is microsoft?

    Quote Originally Posted by sportscrazed2 View Post
    why do people hate microsoft so much
    Becuase they're free to do so.

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    Re: suse is microsoft?

    Wow, what a fantastic thread. I don't know if any of you are still around, but I'd like to thank you for clearing up some of my concerns about the future of Linux and Novell.

    I've decided recently to install and use OpenSuse 11.1 on my PC after much deliberation. I won't pretend to know all the ins and outs, but the bottom line for me was that I care about Linux and it's future, and I didn't want to use a system that was causing harm in any way to the nature of free software. Obviously, Novell is performing stellar work for the open source community, and I would be a fool to ignore that as a Linux user/fan. I am now a very happy (and impressed!) OpenSuse user.

    Again, my absolute heartfelt thanks to all of you involved in this thread. A great read.
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