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    Re: Nvidia open it up!!

    I may be naive in asking this... but they do offer restricted drivers. Isn't that enough? Its better than not giving anything at all.

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    Re: Nvidia open it up!!

    Well nv driver is produced by nvidia and it is open. But it performs horribly even in 2D.

    Restricted drivers is not enough! Just imagine if you had to install drivers for every piece of hardware into your "Linux-box". My next video card will be ATI if Nvidia is not going to open their specs/drivers. It is so much easier to use Linux without drivers installation hassle.

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    Want Nvidia Open-Source drivers? Sign your petition now!


    http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html
    To: Nvidia Corp.

    The world-wide community of Linux users requests that Nvidia Corp. releases
    fully-functional open-source (BSD-licensed) versions of their binary device
    drivers, as soon as possible.

    At the moment, Nvidia has released its 3-D enabled driver as a binary object
    file along with some C wrappers for compatibility, as well as a modified
    version of SGI's OpenGL library. While this solution is the best one besides
    having an open-source driver, it does have many problems:

    1. It subjects X-Window or the entire system to a large number of crashes,
    and hang-ups. This is while a system where the drivers are not loaded, works
    perfectly for weeks on end. So, if Linux users want to enjoy 3-D games, they
    often have to put up with uptimes that make Windows look very stable.

    2. It taints the system with non-free kernel modules and libraries. This
    prevents getting help from the vendor or from other kernel developers, who
    refuse to debug a tainted kernel (and rightfully so).

    3. The kernel upgrade process becomes more complicated, as the driver needs
    to be re-compiled after the kernel is up, while X needs to be shut down, etc.

    4. The build process of the drivers often breaks with some kernel upgrades,
    and requires third-party patches. (or even crashes the system after compiling
    cleanly - e.g: one page stacks).

    5. They don't provide a solution for people who wish to use the cards on
    different computer architectures than the ones that Nvidia provides drivers
    for. For example, the users of PowerPCs cannot use the 3-D capability of
    their cards.

    6. There are many other technical problems that often surface.

    7. The nvidia engineers that work on the drivers cannot be effectively reached
    or contacted.

    The current solution offered by Nvidia may be the second-best solution. But
    this is one case where the second best solution is not good enough.

    The response of the Nvidia engineers to this problem in
    http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/t253027.html was completely
    unsatisfactory. They claimed that they cannot release open source drivers
    because "We have lots of IP in our supported closed source Linux driver some
    of which is licensed and cannot be open sourced.". Well, if Nvidia has
    copyrighted code in its drivers, then they can surely invest some money
    in hiring more developers to re-write it. They are a very profitable company,
    after all.

    So we request that an open-source driver will be released as soon as possible.
    Meanwhile, we are going to collect a bounty for reverse-engineering the
    Nvidia drivers and releasing an open-source driver based on this effort
    (using the open-source Mesa library).

    Sincerely,
    (YourNameHere)

    Linux User #469180

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    Re: Want Nvidia Open-Source drivers? Sign your petition now!

    petitions don't do anything.
    Jabber: markgrandi[at]gmail.com

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    Re: Want Nvidia Open-Source drivers? Sign your petition now!

    Quote Originally Posted by polygon View Post
    petitions Don't Do Anything.
    +1

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    Re: Want Nvidia Open-Source drivers? Sign your petition now!

    Even so, i signed it.

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    Re: Want Nvidia Open-Source drivers? Sign your petition now!

    Quote Originally Posted by VitaLiNux View Post

    http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html
    To: Nvidia Corp.

    The world-wide community of Linux users requests that Nvidia Corp. releases
    fully-functional open-source (BSD-licensed) versions of their binary device
    drivers, as soon as possible.

    At the moment, Nvidia has released its 3-D enabled driver as a binary object
    file along with some C wrappers for compatibility, as well as a modified
    version of SGI's OpenGL library. While this solution is the best one besides
    having an open-source driver, it does have many problems:

    1. It subjects X-Window or the entire system to a large number of crashes,
    and hang-ups. This is while a system where the drivers are not loaded, works
    perfectly for weeks on end. So, if Linux users want to enjoy 3-D games, they
    often have to put up with uptimes that make Windows look very stable.

    2. It taints the system with non-free kernel modules and libraries. This
    prevents getting help from the vendor or from other kernel developers, who
    refuse to debug a tainted kernel (and rightfully so).

    3. The kernel upgrade process becomes more complicated, as the driver needs
    to be re-compiled after the kernel is up, while X needs to be shut down, etc.

    4. The build process of the drivers often breaks with some kernel upgrades,
    and requires third-party patches. (or even crashes the system after compiling
    cleanly - e.g: one page stacks).

    5. They don't provide a solution for people who wish to use the cards on
    different computer architectures than the ones that Nvidia provides drivers
    for. For example, the users of PowerPCs cannot use the 3-D capability of
    their cards.

    6. There are many other technical problems that often surface.

    7. The nvidia engineers that work on the drivers cannot be effectively reached
    or contacted.

    The current solution offered by Nvidia may be the second-best solution. But
    this is one case where the second best solution is not good enough.

    The response of the Nvidia engineers to this problem in
    http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/t253027.html was completely
    unsatisfactory. They claimed that they cannot release open source drivers
    because "We have lots of IP in our supported closed source Linux driver some
    of which is licensed and cannot be open sourced.". Well, if Nvidia has
    copyrighted code in its drivers, then they can surely invest some money
    in hiring more developers to re-write it. They are a very profitable company,
    after all.

    So we request that an open-source driver will be released as soon as possible.
    Meanwhile, we are going to collect a bounty for reverse-engineering the
    Nvidia drivers and releasing an open-source driver based on this effort
    (using the open-source Mesa library).

    Sincerely,
    (YourNameHere)
    While I sincerely appreciate the effort you've taken in jotting down all your grievances, I must say that there is little to be gained through such activities.

    If there is one definite thing I've realized in life so far, it is that people (myself included) understand the importance of something only when it is taken away from them.

    If you really want to send a message to Nvidia, what we as a responsible community (not just one or two people) should be doing is boycotting their products. This will affect them where it hurts most. Sales. Revenue. When they realize that they are losing customers because of their (buggy) binary-only drivers, they will respond accordingly.

    How can you do this without sacrificing 3D capabilities?

    By supporting hardware manufacturers that provide free (open) drivers, like Intel. You do pay a certain price for reduced 3D performance, but in the long run you will almost certainly benefit.
    Last edited by msrinath80; July 11th, 2008 at 08:20 PM.

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    Re: Want Nvidia Open-Source drivers? Sign your petition now!

    Quote Originally Posted by CalvinB View Post
    Even so, i signed it.
    So did I.

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    Re: Want Nvidia Open-Source drivers? Sign your petition now!

    Signed. My reason:

    I love NetBSD, and open source NVIDIA drivers could easily be ported to NetBSD.

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    Re: Want Nvidia Open-Source drivers? Sign your petition now!

    I also signed it, if AMD can make drivers for the ATI card open source, I believe Nvidia should be able to also.

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