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    What Am I Missing by Sticking with Gutsy?

    When Hardy Heron first came out, I tried to upgrade from Feisty. It did not go well, and what I wound up doing, after much reading here, was installing a fresh Gutsy. I saw that many folks were having a lot of difficulty with one piece or another in Hardy, particularly with Intel onboard graphics. So I steered clear, downloaded Gutsy and now have it running relatively nicely.

    My question is, what am I missing by sticking with Gutsy? If I continue to update my version, will I eventually get close to Hardy? I'm not even sure what long term support means, as you all here on the forum are my support! Where would I get any other support, long term or otherwise?

    Which brings me to something else...Is there a Knowledge base for Ubuntu, where many of the common problems have solutions listed and outlined? How do all y'all know so much on how to fix things? Sometimes I don't even know how to phrase my search, and as much as I love coming here for help, oftentimes I can't find what I need because I don't have the right lingo, or enough knowledge even to phrase the right question. For instance, if I search for "nvidia", I get WAYYYY too many posts, many of which talk about compiz or beryl, things that are out of a beginner's league. I almost live at that psychocats.net ubuntu site- thanks Aysiu!! But it'd be great to find some other knowledge bases.

    I'm very close to giving XP the boot, at least on this machine, as I find that I really can do everything in Ubuntu- even Slacker (internet music), which was my one remaining reason for keeping XP in a dual boot. Before I do rid this PC of XP, though, I'd love to get more knowledgeable and confident with Ubuntu and linux in general.

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    Re: What Am I Missing by Sticking with Gutsy?

    You are missing out on updates to the packages and the bug fixes in those new versions if there were any.

    If you have a separate home, then a fresh install of Hardy in the same root partition should be a breeze. Having said that, I upgraded a Xubuntu install from Gutsy to Hardy without any problems whatsoever.

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    Re: What Am I Missing by Sticking with Gutsy?

    You're not missing anything just by sticking with Gutsy (just the updates). You're still using Linux and there's no big difference in using Hardy either, just an upgraded version. All the commands are the same, applications that could be executed in Hardy can be done in Gutsy, so, they're all virtually the same. You could wait for another 3 months or so if you decide to ride on to Hardy, giving enough time for the Ubuntu team to "fix" their 8.04 version.
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    In sticking with this forum, you'll still be meeting more knowledge-based site that show you solutions to problems.
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    Re: What Am I Missing by Sticking with Gutsy?

    What do you mean LTS? Kubuntu isn't LTS 'cause of KDE 4.0!

    Oh, yeah. GNOME users.

    Anyway, aside from the default firefox3 (aka "crash all the time!") browser and the problems with the kernel and the NVIDIA driver, the only thing I've really noticed is that I can cancel the automatic fsck of my drives when booting by pressing escape. That's quite a handy feature for when I'm troubleshooting (rebooting constantly) and I don't want to wait for a 300 gig partition check.
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    Re: What Am I Missing by Sticking with Gutsy?

    As I understand how the release cycle for ubuntu works, you will stop getting upgrades, i believe, as most of the upgrades will start going into the hardy heron repos. As others have said, I might be wrong. This last part, imo, is important because the release cycle separates ubuntu from other distos, such as Arch, which have a "rolling release" style.

    what you're missing out on, as I see it, is both the pluses and the minuses.
    If everything is working in gusty, there's no imminent reason to switch to hardy.

    However, there are always updates which fix things-- runaway programs, uses of resources better (such as ram), etc. But you're also not having to deal with some potential bugs.

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    Re: What Am I Missing by Sticking with Gutsy?

    @ joshjani

    As every release Hardy need to be polished and I think job will be done very soon.But,if you have working and customized Gutsy which is capable to do whatever you need to do there is no reason to upgrade.Gutsy is supported until April 2009 so you have planty of time to think about Hardy.LTS means that release is supported for 3 years(desktop) or 5 years (server).

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    Re: What Am I Missing by Sticking with Gutsy?

    Quote Originally Posted by joshjani View Post
    When Hardy Heron first came out, I tried to upgrade from Feisty. It did not go well, and what I wound up doing, after much reading here, was installing a fresh Gutsy. I saw that many folks were having a lot of difficulty with one piece or another in Hardy, particularly with Intel onboard graphics.
    The intel graphics issue is pretty well cleared up; the acceleration method in hardy was changed to exa from xaa, and particularly for exa, an additional parameter was required. If you decide to upgrade, post/pm and I'll be happy to give you more details.

    I run intel onboard in all (most) of my computers, all are working excellent.

    On the whole, I'd recommend upgrading.
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    Re: What Am I Missing by Sticking with Gutsy?

    Quote Originally Posted by prshah View Post
    The intel graphics issue is pretty well cleared up; the acceleration method in hardy was changed to exa from xaa, and particularly for exa, an additional parameter was required. If you decide to upgrade, post/pm and I'll be happy to give you more details.

    I run intel onboard in all (most) of my computers, all are working excellent.

    On the whole, I'd recommend upgrading.
    What parameter? I never had any issues with my Intel card, so I am curious as to what parameter was missing, as I never had to add anything to make my setup run flawlessly (unless it was magically added in the backend).

    I even recently performed a fresh install, and prior to updates, my card worked fine (base xorg.conf). Are you sure there was an Intel issue affecting new installs or just potential with upgrades if someone had a config option previously set in their old xorg.conf when using XAA?

    Just curious, as my experience was flawless, both on an upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy and a fresh install of Hardy on the same Laptop (Acer Aspire 9410).

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    Re: What Am I Missing by Sticking with Gutsy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xiong Chiamiov View Post
    What do you mean LTS? Kubuntu isn't LTS 'cause of KDE 4.0!

    Oh, yeah. GNOME users.

    Anyway, aside from the default firefox3 (aka "crash all the time!") browser and the problems with the kernel and the NVIDIA driver, the only thing I've really noticed is that I can cancel the automatic fsck of my drives when booting by pressing escape. That's quite a handy feature for when I'm troubleshooting (rebooting constantly) and I don't want to wait for a 300 gig partition check.
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    Re: What Am I Missing by Sticking with Gutsy?

    im another user that is sticking with gutsy for now. from what ive read about pulseaudio and the 'simplifying' of xorg i dont think ill be upgrading for a while. i only use it for websurfing, listening to music and watching movies and using bit torrent. im not about to mess around with a changed xorg to get my hdtv to stop overscanning again or mess around with audio.

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