"Hardy" Heron, does it deserve its name?

**Jammy4041** · April 26th, 2008

Give Hardy Heron Time- remember- it's only been out for just two days now as a fully fledged stable release. Soon software developers will release better versions, just for hardy. Hardy has at least three years to prove itself.

**BLTicklemonster** · April 26th, 2008

Originally Posted by Jammy4041

Give Hardy Heron Time- remember- it's only been out for just two days now as a fully fledged stable release. Soon software developers will release better versions, just for hardy. Hardy has at least three years to prove itself.

Remember, Hardly Helion has only been out two days now as a fully fledged WHAT? Stable release? I think they jumped the gun on this one, and it's the black eye that everyone else has been praying for.

This release needs to be pulled, guys. I love Ubuntu, but Hardy is definitely not ready for public release. It may work on some people's computers with no problem and other's with serious tweaking but the average Joe who comes along, burns a cd, tries to boot from it, and watches in awe as it fails to respond is going to never look back.

Pull the plug on this one now!

**karellen** · April 26th, 2008

Originally Posted by Jammy4041

Give Hardy Heron Time- remember- it's only been out for just two days now as a fully fledged stable release. Soon software developers will release better versions, just for hardy. Hardy has at least three years to prove itself.

why should it be given time for the things that had been already working in gutsy? or feisty

**Jadephyre** · April 28th, 2008

exactly my point... although i'm not using it at the moment, Gutsy has worked for me (apart from the fact that Wireless had to be realized with NDISWRAPPER and that the OpenSource Driver didn't work for my ATI X1100).
I downloaded Hardy Final (32bit & 64Bit) and it just does not boot the Live Environment... at least not without a slew of Boot Parameters added.
The Kernel which is used in the Final is, at least i guess so, the showstopper that is causing all those headaches.
If they do not release 8.04.1 REALLY fast, they are going to alienate a lot of users with all those Problems because the Phrase "It just works" just doesn't work at the moment.

The immense string of Boot Parameters alone have thrown me off of installing Hardy so far.

EDIT: At the Moment i'm using Linux Mint 4

**balaji.ramasubramanian** · April 28th, 2008

The one thing I hate about Ubuntu is uncertainty in hardware stuff. i have seen Windows unstable too, but then it comes with support. The problem with Open Source Software as I realize over the time I have used it is that there is no (I repeat no) support for your problems.

I read through the problems that many of you are reporting. I don't have all of the problems, but I have some other different problems in Ubuntu. The worst part is that nobody in Canonical seems to care if some people can't use their software. Your bug report is totally ignored. In addition, the smug geeky idiot from Canonical will reply to your bug reports as if you made a mistake buying a PC and that the software is sacrosanct. The attitude must change. I'm an engineer too (electrical) and can understand software and C code almost well although I just don't take the trouble to write code. I'm not obliged to do so and I'm not interested in wasting my time reading some documents on Linux kernel. What I care about is: Does my system do what I want it to do?

Since Dapper, I have not done a fresh install of Ubuntu and so I wonder how much that contributes to the slow response Gutsy gives, when compared to my older Dapper machine.

The one thing I can't understand is why can't Linux guys do something to help people use Windows drivers in Linux. Write a software that will enable the drivers to work on Linux. I'm not talking about an installation program for any new hardware, but a driver file that can be extracted from the Windows driver and used in existing Linux applications.

This in fact is precisely what is done for the nVIDIA driver. If that can be done, I'm pretty sure one can find a way to do it for all drivers. It is a matter of writing code to extract useful stuff from Windows drivers and doing the required work. Every hardware comes with a CD and they promise to work with Windows. Why not use that stuff and make it work for Linux. I mean there are only a few interfaces and peripherals. The protocol is in the driver provided by the hardware guy and you should just reuse that. If the whole philosophy of Open source comes from software re-use, we should work on re-using drivers too.

The other thing that Canonical must do is to work with a very large base of hardware and peripheral providers. They should invest on this and I will donate for that too. When you work with a large (not just the major) peripheral providers and write software that works just out of the box, more and more people will use Linux. Countries like India and China will stop investing in a Microsoft license and instead just get Ubuntu. What that does to your software now is that all hardware providers start writing drivers that work with Ubuntu. The peripheral providers are writing Windows drivers not because Microsoft pays them (I'm sure Microsoft does not pay a penny to the peripheral providers for hardware support.) but because people use Microsoft Windows. If now we change that popularity to Ubuntu, I'm pretty sure Microsoft will have a run for the money and still no peripherals will stop writing software for Ubuntu.

**vexorian** · April 28th, 2008

Just give it time, I heard exactly the same thing about gutsy when it was first released, it is AWESOME to see how people now say hey will stick to gutsy...

Originally Posted by balaji.ramasubramanian

The one thing I hate about Ubuntu is uncertainty in hardware stuff. i have seen Windows unstable too, but then it comes with support. The problem with Open Source Software as I realize over the time I have used it is that there is no (I repeat no) support for your problems.

Who says it doesn't? If you want support go pay it.

**mengtze** · April 28th, 2008

Well, I am going back to 7.10. In a year maybe I will try heron again.

**Bog_Warrior** · April 28th, 2008

Ubuntu does not offer support... where are we? THIS is the support for Ubuntu and the strength of the OS. If this forum can't help for free, you can pay for support. Microsoft provides help and support??? it's called reboot.

It seems so easy to make an OS work, but when you think about taking an infinite number of devices, with an infinite number of applications, and try to write an OS to get these components to work with everyone, every time out of the box.... you can't even buy an OS with those specifications.

I only come to this thread when my system is working, and to the others to get priceless support.

Thanks to Ubuntu.

BW

**wirelessmonkey** · April 29th, 2008

Originally Posted by Jadd

I'm afraid that it can't be the hardware or the driver's fault this time, 'cause some these issues weren't an issue with Gutsy. The Heron introduced these deal-breakers: disfunctional sudo, disfunctional text installer and constant random freezes.

Due to the number of successful Hardy installs, it is only reasonable to assume that there is a problem on your end. Perhaps your install media is bad, perhaps one of the drivers has been changed or updated for some piece of hardware, perhaps there is a filesystem or HDD problem. It is unreasonable to assume the OS is faulty, when there is plenty of evidence for successful installs on a variety of hardware.

I suggest burning new install media, at the slowest possible speed, using the alternate install cd image, so you can watch for potential errors. You may also want to run memtest86 from the liveCD, just to make sure there are no memory problems.

Most of all, though, I suggest that if you want to run Hardy you should disregard your Feisty/Gutsy experiences, and start from scratch.

Best of Luck

**BLTicklemonster** · April 29th, 2008

Originally Posted by wirelessmonkey

Due to the number of successful Hardy installs, it is only reasonable to assume that there is a problem on your end. Perhaps your install media is bad, perhaps one of the drivers has been changed or updated for some piece of hardware, perhaps there is a filesystem or HDD problem. It is unreasonable to assume the OS is faulty, when there is plenty of evidence for successful installs on a variety of hardware.

I suggest burning new install media, at the slowest possible speed, using the alternate install cd image, so you can watch for potential errors. You may also want to run memtest86 from the liveCD, just to make sure there are no memory problems.

Most of all, though, I suggest that if you want to run Hardy you should disregard your Feisty/Gutsy experiences, and start from scratch.

Best of Luck

Due to the number of UNsuccessful Hardy installs, it is only reasonable to assume that there is a problem with Hardy's development. Especially when one considers that so many of these people here (myself included) had no real problems with any release so far up until now.

Just because everyone on your block dresses like you doesn't mean that you're normal...

Google this:

Hardy Heron 8.04 problems site:ubuntuforums.org

and see how many hits you get.

Something like this?
Results 1 - 10 of about 70,600 from ubuntuforums.org for Hardy Heron 8.04 problems

And it's been out how long?