View Poll Results: What is the best desktop in your opinion?

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  • Gnome

    182 57.78%
  • KDE

    86 27.30%
  • Xfce

    47 14.92%
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  1. #11
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    Re: Why is KDE such a sore issue?

    Well I have a scsi cd burner and have had constant problems which would have been sorted out if k3b had been fully supported. I use nautilus for data cd burning and cdrecord directly from the cli for audio burning so the issue is software. You sound like you have been lucky - I have seen many reports of problems with k3b in this forum...

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    Re: Why is KDE such a sore issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by regeya
    I went on a search through the forums, and read several heated messages in the mailinglist about inclusion/integration of KDE. Amusingly enough, some of those people were people who claimed to have stopped using Mandrake due to KDE being the main focus.

    So I just have to ask: Have I come to the wrong place? I didn't install Ubuntu because I wanted a GNOME-centric desktop; I installed Ubuntu because it seemed to be a relatively stable, relatively stock-software system that was desktop-centric, followed standards, and didn't invent a gazillion different distribution-centric GUI tools. Ubuntu was that.

    Truth be told, though, despite its clunkiness, I prefer KDE to GNOME, and I have multiple reasons that, if listed here, would start a flamewar.

    So was I wrong? Is the main focus on building a GNOME desktop rather than a standards-driven desktop? If so, can anyone point me in the direction of a standards-driven desktop that's leaning toward KDE? I don't want to help cram anything down anyone's throat if people don't want KDE on their systems. If I was right, then I don't feel sorry for the poor, misguided GNOME zealots who've mistakenly believed this to be a GNOME-centric distribution.

    My own stance on the KDE vs. GNOME issue, BTW: May the best system win.

    Thank you for your time, and please, let's try to keep the discussion civil; I promise to try to do the same.
    What I did!

    a) Install Ubuntu
    b) Setup up Debian Unstable
    c) sudo apt-get install -t unstable kde
    d) Way to go!

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    Re: Why is KDE such a sore issue?

    If you want something Ubuntu-like with KDE, try MEPIS.

    http://www.mepis.org/

    Kubuntu is also coming, apparently.

    I am very thankful for Ubuntu's focus on offering a wonderful Gnome-centric desktop, and would switch to Debian if that changed. The only thing KDE has to offer that I want on my system is K3B. It can do so many things that no single GTK app can, but IN MY OPINION it is still ugly as sin and is laid out about as cleanly as my bed after a night of drunken sex.

    I use Ubuntu instead of Debian only because it does Gnome better than any other distro, and promises to do even more.

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    Re: Why is KDE such a sore issue?

    as far as it seems to me, kde works well with ubuntu. i am installing it now to test it. please understand that ubuntu does focus on gnome by the default. if you want to know why, look at the developers for ubuntu.....

    anyway, personally i feel gnome to be a great desktop(sometimes i use fluxbox or xfce) though.

    will let you know how kde install goes...
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    Re: Why is KDE such a sore issue?

    ok after installing the kdebase only, which is the route i used to install kde, here are my comments.

    1.) the menus contain the gnome stuff still. this is fine for me, but where is kwrite?

    2.) everything else is fine.

    i think this is a usable kde desktop if you addin the kde programs you need. which is as simple as apt-get install <package>
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    Re: Why is KDE such a sore issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by kleeman
    Conlcusion: either provide basic level kde support so addons will work properly (k3b doesn't in warty) or put a major effort into gnome replacements. If you don't you will find users drifting away back to Fedora. Just my two cents worth.

    You have to use sudo for it to work it Warty, The problem will come when Hoary is released, as currently its WILL NOT install K3B without some forcing. (for me)

    I think the second option is more likely. The ubuntu community (not the dev. team) will hammer out something like gnomebaker or coaster.

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    Re: Why is KDE such a sore issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdodson
    ok after installing the kdebase only, which is the route i used to install kde, here are my comments.

    1.) the menus contain the gnome stuff still. this is fine for me, but where is kwrite?

    2.) everything else is fine.

    i think this is a usable kde desktop if you addin the kde programs you need. which is as simple as apt-get install <package>
    You rock, jdodson.

    I see some other posters having problems with k3b. Is that in Backports? If not, as I recall all I did to get a nicely-working fully-functional k3b was to add the Hoary sources to my sources.list, apt-get update && (forgive me if this is wrong as I'm not sitting at a Ubunto or debian box right now) apt-get build-dep cdrtools 'dvd+rw-tools' k3b && apt-get -b source cdrtools 'dvd+rw-tools' k3b (followed, naturally, with installing the newly built debs.)

    Back on task, I keep seeing people calling Ubuntu a GNOME-centric distro and things along those lines, and I'm having problems finding that bit of info. I can see that GNOME is the supported desktop, but the closest I've found to a statement of being GNOME-centric was a comment I found elsewhere (not linking to it because I'm too lazy to look it up ) that was along the lines of, well, the Ubuntu project didn't have the resources to pursue both desktops, but that there are KDE packages available. If some dev-type can confirm this that'd be cool.

    That's cool and all, and I can respect that, especially since neat-freaks seem to be flocking to GNOME, and maybe nobody will give a flying flip when KDE 3.4 and KDE 4.0 come out. That's cool, too, provided the current GNOME apps get a bit more fleshed out and this trend toward a more mature development cycle continues, and GNOME doesn't disappear in a flurry of patent-violation lawsuits when it gets more Mono-centric. I'm really interested to see what will happen next with GNOME, now that they seem to be headed down a good road. Once gStreamer is more fleshed out, apps get a bit more robust, scripting GNOME apps is as simple (or hopefully simpler than other OSes), etc. maybe I won't care at all about KDE. We shall see.

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    Re: Why is KDE such a sore issue?

    I have tried k3b sudo and nothing changes. The hoary recompilation sounds interesting but my point really was that something basic like audio cd burning should work easily out of the box and it doesn't for a lot of folks at present. I get a whole bunch of wierd kernel messages and the crwriter stops responding. None of this happens with a simple cli cdrecord operation as mentioned in the audio howto. This suggests that k3b needs tweaking for ubuntu (it works with Fedora btw). I have also tried the hoary backport without success.

    I have also looked at a whole bunch of gnome tools (like gnomebaker) and it is pretty clear they are still very immature compared to k3b..... For me the cli is just as easy....

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    Re: Why is KDE such a sore issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by kleeman
    Conlcusion: either provide basic level kde support so addons will work properly (k3b doesn't in warty) or put a major effort into gnome replacements. If you don't you will find users drifting away back to Fedora. Just my two cents worth.
    Option 1: (there are ways to install KDE)
    a) Install Ubuntu
    b) Setup up Debian Unstable
    c) sudo apt-get install -t unstable kde

    Option 2: (maybe Ubuntu is not for you)
    a) http://www.mepis.org
    b) http://fedora.redhat.com

    CHOICES. That's what nice about linux It has so many distros. Each with it's own strenght and weakness.

    What I used to do before finally choosing Ubuntu was I tried a few (Fedora, MEPIS, Suse, Mandrake). I guess people should go out and try a few distros. Then chooses one that their most comfortable with (i.e. agree with the developer's philosophy/principles, desktop environment, release frequency, user group and etc).

    With so many choices out there, I think it is easier to choose a ship that's heading where you want to go. Rather than boarding a ship that's going another way and then trying to change it's course 180 degrees.

    And linux is free. It will not cost you a dime to change distribution. Just my two cents worth.

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    Re: Why is KDE such a sore issue?

    Don't get me wrong, I think Ububtu is great- I have always wanted an easy to use Debian system. I am simply pointing out that if a few very select apps were improved it would blow the competition out of the water. I don't consider this turning the distro 180 degrees simply honest ordinary user feedback... just my four cents

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