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Thread: What's wrong with YaST package management?

  1. #11
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    Re: What's wrong with YaST package management?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikjp View Post
    There is nothing wrong in YaST package management.
    There is.
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    zypper install package : installs a package (or zypper in package)
    This will install the newer package version available in the repository with the higher priority. YaST by default will select the newer version, ignoring repository priorities.
    Quote Originally Posted by mikjp View Post
    zypper update : updates package repositories (or zypper up)
    To update packages you will need to use zypper up -t package. The YaST (and updater applet) equivalent ignores repository priorities and the "don't change vendor" rule.

    So the only way to obtain a *correct* list of updates is "zypper up -t package", no GUI tool will give you the correct list. And the installaton of new packages is also confusing through YaST since you have to manually check it has selected the correct version.

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    Re: What's wrong with YaST package management?

    It's stupid at downloading. Compared to smart, which downloads in phases. Smart will download 5-10 packages in parallel til all packages are done downloading, and then install serially. This speeds up downloading by orders of magnitude, since while some huge package is downloading, 20 small packages could be downloaded. Secondly, if yast is interrupted (power fail) your system could be left unusable due to an incomplete downloading of needed packages -- new kernel but no new wifi module. This is because it immediately installs after downloading. They should really use smart's downloading system, it's faster and more robust.

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    Re: What's wrong with YaST package management?

    Quote Originally Posted by generalguy View Post
    It's stupid at downloading. Compared to smart, which downloads in phases. Smart will download 5-10 packages in parallel til all packages are done downloading, and then install serially. This speeds up downloading by orders of magnitude, since while some huge package is downloading, 20 small packages could be downloaded. Secondly, if yast is interrupted (power fail) your system could be left unusable due to an incomplete downloading of needed packages -- new kernel but no new wifi module. This is because it immediately installs after downloading. They should really use smart's downloading system, it's faster and more robust.
    Isn't implemented in the 11.0 version, but the idea is to:
    1- Download package 'a'
    2a- Install package 'a'
    2b- Download package 'b'
    3a- Install package 'b'
    3b- Download package 'c'
    ...

    Downloading at the same time than instaling is faster than Smart (if a single download connection uses all the available bandwidth...), but yes, a power fail could be really bad.

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    Re: What's wrong with YaST package management?

    only difference I see is that pacman (arch) AFAIK installs applications in /opt/appname and system stuff in /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /bin and /sbin while the rest cramp both user and system stuff in /usr/*bin and /*bin.
    "Some people says that if you run a Microsoft Midori iso backwards you will hear demon voices commanding you to worship Satan". But that's nothing. If you run it forward it will install Microsoft Midori.

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