Linux Desktop Readiness Thread

[macgyver2]

I agree, I hate it when people come up with the term "user friendly" as if it's some standard a piece of software can meet, when it's impossible to meet, as everyone's different. Like I said before, I don't find Windows user friendly.

Here's a good read.

I agree, and great link... I always like a when someone uses examples to make points, like in that article. I also know a few people that I need to print out copies for.

[XQC]

The goal of Linux is not to have everyone in the world use it, there's no point, because no one is making money.

Erm, ok, but what's your point against suggestions in order to improve Ubuntu?
That kind of a statement is not productive.

Not EVERYONE should use Windows, but Ubuntu has really to attract more users, just because of the monopoly that Microsoft holds in the desktop segment.

I can't imagine what it would like if their never was a project like Firefox. Probably I still would use IE6, not knowing that there are much more comfortable ways to browse the internet. But because of the popularity of Firefox, MS is eager to release IE7 with its new features, they don't want to lose more users.
If there was no Firefox, internet would still be in year 1998.

It's quite the same with Ubuntu really.
Ubuntu has to bring new innovations and new ideas, with the goal to be more user-friendly. Then Microsoft could realize, that it's not a good idea to resolve bugs after like a few months, because they see security holes not as a matter of threat.

[DJ_Max]

Erm, ok, but what's your point against suggestions in order to improve Ubuntu?
That kind of a statement is not productive.

Re-read that replier's post, and you'll see it makes sense.

Erm, ok, but what's your point against suggestions in order to improve Ubuntu?
That kind of a statement is not productive.

Not EVERYONE should use Windows, but Ubuntu has really to attract more users, just because of the monopoly that Microsoft holds in the desktop segment.

I can't imagine what it would like if their never was a project like Firefox. Probably I still would use IE6, not knowing that there are much more comfortable ways to browse the internet. But because of the popularity of Firefox, MS is eager to release IE7 with its new features, they don't want to lose more users.
If there was no Firefox, internet would still be in year 1998.

It's quite the same with Ubuntu really.
Ubuntu has to bring new innovations and new ideas, with the goal to be more user-friendly. Then Microsoft could realize, that it's not a good idea to resolve bugs after like a few months, because they see security holes not as a matter of threat.

Read the whole thread, because from you're post we're back at the beginning. Everyone doesn't have the same standards, so in a sense, it's impossible to make an OS user-friendly. The question I ask, is for who do you want Ubuntu be user-friendly for?

[Stormy Eyes]

Linux is user-friendly. It's just damned picky about its friends.

[XQC]

Wait, stop.
I am not remembering that I wrote "Ubuntu isn't user-friendly"

I'm just trying to say, it needs to be MORE user-friendly.

When somebody just tells me "It is user-friendly (period)." or "You can't handle it, so don't use it" and doesn't really give further arguments, I get the impression that this person doesn't want to improve anything and it's almost the same as saying "Ok, now we have Hoary and maybe Breezy, but after that we can stop development, because this is now user-friendlyness in itself". I also find that very elitist and this attitude doesn't help anybody.

And I say, there actually IS room for further improvements, for example the multimedia segment, that is way too nonexistend, or at least not in the same quality as Windows (I'm NOT saying, it should be LIKE Windows!).

Though Ubuntu itself can't be blamed for this, it's the community. That is what Open-Source is in the end.

[Buffalo Soldier]

I also find that very elitist and this attitude doesn't help anybody.

It does help. It helps to keep out windows-drone-who-wannabe-cool-*nix-user.

Linux is user-friendly. It's just damned picky about its friends.

I agree with Stormy Eyes. Don't we have a special name for a person/thing that tries to please, be nice and friendly with everyone?

GNU/Linux is NOT about converting Win users. And it shouldn't be.

[DJ_Max]

Wait, stop.
I am not remembering that I wrote "Ubuntu isn't user-friendly"

I'm just trying to say, it needs to be MORE user-friendly.

When somebody just tells me "It is user-friendly (period)." or "You can't handle it, so don't use it" and doesn't really give further arguments, I get the impression that this person doesn't want to improve anything and it's almost the same as saying "Ok, now we have Hoary and maybe Breezy, but after that we can stop development, because this is now user-friendlyness in itself". I also find that very elitist and this attitude doesn't help anybody.

And I say, there actually IS room for further improvements, for example the multimedia segment, that is way too nonexistend, or at least not in the same quality as Windows (I'm NOT saying, it should be LIKE Windows!).

Though Ubuntu itself can't be blamed for this, it's the community. That is what Open-Source is in the end.

After a while these types of threads get redundant, as it's mostly based on opinions. You keep mentioning "user friendly" like it's aa actual universal label you can give something, which is what you're trying to do, but you can't. For example, for me, I find Gentoo to be user friendly, but at the same time, Windows not user friendly. It's all a matter of preference.

If you don't find a Linux distro, such as Linspire, to be up to par on your standards, then to be blunt, Linux isn't cut out for you. Like you said, thats FOSS.

BUT, your comment on multimedia makes sense, but it has been explained before, until popular proprietary formats, libraries such as wmv, mp3, mpeg, etc.. go open source, it won't advance much (or open source formats such as OGG catch on.) Because it simply can't due to legal issues.

[XQC]

Don't we have a special name for a person/thing that tries to please, be nice and friendly with everyone?

I don't like someone like that either but we're talking about an OS here. We are not supposed to interact with the OS or have emotions for it. It should work for us, simple as that. And yes, I want an OS where I don't have to much care about it. But saying "then Linux is not for you, buy a mac" isn't really the right thing IMHO.
I realize there are different views about the phrase "the way of working" but I'm not saying that Ubuntu should change it's whole interface, but there are things that still need improvement.
And if you really want the little techiness that bad, than Ubuntu should give you the choice for it.

After a while these types of threads get redundant, as it's mostly based on opinions.

You're right, that's the reason I'm cutting myself out of this topic. I don't have new revolutionary arguments, many people said this and that before me. And I read countless topic on that myself.
I'm just bored at the moment, that's all

[Stormy Eyes]

I agree with Stormy Eyes. Don't we have a special name for a person/thing that tries to please, be nice and friendly with everyone?

'Fido' comes to mind.

GNU/Linux is NOT about converting Win users. And it shouldn't be.

I agree. I came to Linux for the wrong reasons -- anger at Microsoft -- but I stayed because I came to love Linux. Nobody should use Linux just because they can no longer forgive Microsoft's defects.

[Stormy Eyes]

I'm just trying to say, it needs to be MORE user-friendly.

Why? Just to lure those sick of Microsoft? I do not think that is a good enough reason.