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    wireless is a pita
    but it is not something I would trust to closed modules, of course I dont trust closed anything
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    Re: gNewSense

    I did some looking around and found this page on network cards from the FSF:
    http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html

    I am going to see if I can find any of those locally and give it another shot.
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    I use the old orinoco gold wireless cards - just FYI

    Watcht he versions numbers carefully for those on the FSF list.Someone reported they found one recently - see if I can find it.

    I ordered the Asus WL-167g,
    which according to the list on the FSF site (and the list where that
    came from) uses the RT2500 chipset (the one I need), and
    doesn't have other versions with different chipsets. Unfortunately,
    that's wrong; in fact it has four versions, two using that chipset, and
    the other two seemingly using the RT2571W chipset, which only works with
    the RT73 driver, which needs binary-only firmware to work.
    P.S. If anyone has that card, or is thinking of getting one, if it has
    the product ID '1706' or '1707' it uses the RT2500 chipset and should
    work out of the box with gNewSense,
    Aye, fight and you may fail, sellout, and you may live, a while. And dying in your MScash beds, you'll be willin' to trade ALL the cash, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may FUD our customers, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!"

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    I am a debian/ubuntu/gnewsense GNU/Linux user (I have all the three installed in separate partitions, using grub to boot them) and watching the evolution of all three. We should never forget the principles of GNU and the FSF. We users of debian-based distros are all indebted to debian developers. Ubuntu has brought much good to the GNU/linux community which have been useful to all, especially to debian-based distros. Gnewsense is a great experiment in free software. I would like debian and/or ubuntu to make clear to the user if he is or not using non-free software, and always make it optional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvdg View Post
    I would like debian and/or ubuntu to make clear to the user if he is or not using non-free software, and always make it optional.
    I think it is pretty clear at the moment. But that will change with Feisty when they integrate binary drivers by default.

    Also Feisty+1 will include Linspires Click'n'Run.

    Even if the client may be FLOSS itself (I dunno) it's aim is to run restricted software...

    No good use from the "free" point of view...
    (Heard already of people ditching Ubuntu when Feisty+1 comes out, as that is too commercial and closed for them)
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    Feisty will NOT activate proprietary video drivers by default, although the reasons invoked are technical:

    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub...ry/000098.html

    We have won a battle(?), but not the war (please don't take me literally!).

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    Re: gNewSense

    Quote Originally Posted by pvdg View Post
    Feisty will NOT activate proprietary video drivers by default, although the reasons invoked are technical:

    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub...ry/000098.html

    We have won a battle(?), but not the war (please don't take me literally!).
    And this will get better with time too. As more projects start putting out free drivers and such, this will be less and less of a problem. We are just in an awkward stage right now where some things don't have the support we would like or need.

    Keeping the pressure on is a good thing though
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    Re: gNewSense

    Excuse my ignorance, as I have only really primarily been an Ubuntu user, but why start GNewsense? Why not contribute or port back Ubuntu stuff to Debian GNU/Linux? After all their is Debian Free Software Guidlines and all...

    While I know a founder of gnewsense, Paul O'Malley, I fail to see what it can bring to the table, other than an "approved by FSF" badge. Maybe I am to much rooted in reality like Linus and Mark? I know freedoms are the most important thing about (X)/(K)Ubuntu, but I seriously think most people are barking up the wrong tree on how to approach this: userbase. Once we have the userbase, we can use the market force to switch to free software entirely. Plus it is only hardware support, which is vital to get people to switch. Developers pick the GPL so that their code is free to be used, wouldn't it be a shame to throw away all that because of one (perhaps broadcom?) wireless card that refused to work? I know binary blobs seem to be the curse of the devil, can and will break on kernel upgrades, but they are a sad reality unfortunately, idealism can't solve this yet I am afraid.

    BTW, I am one of the biggest Free Software idealists out there, but this is a tangible problem someone needs to make decisions on, and I think Ubuntu is heading in the right direction in this regard. I was shocked to see the ignorance of people talk bad about CNR, I have used that extensively and with family members who are not technical at all, and it works, better than Add/Remove in my assessment

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    then I guess we can use the "market force" of windows to get rid of DRM? When you manage that feat let me know......

    If a large userbase means that force can be leveraged then why arent we all on windows, and forcing micorosft to use ODF or to open-source their operating system or ....?

    a large "market force" using proprietary simply shows that proprietary is the right way to do things, so why would a company change?

    What is "switching" if you go from proprietary/free (windows/openoffice+gimp+more) to free/proprietary (ubuntu+binary drivers+proprietary software+more) seems less like switching and more like shuffling around to me.
    Aye, fight and you may fail, sellout, and you may live, a while. And dying in your MScash beds, you'll be willin' to trade ALL the cash, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may FUD our customers, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!"

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    Re: gNewSense

    Why come out with 7up when there is already coke & pepsi?
    Answer: Some people want something not provided by coke or pepsi.

    I understand it. gNewSense offers what some really want. Totally 100% free software. And for those that can run such a system, they can be happy as a clam.

    Ubuntu has 100% free as the ultimate goal, but to get there, it' using some non-free software for those who are unable to run 100% free system. It is an interim step. If it were not for this interim step, I would not be able to use linux 100%. I would instead have, like I have many time before in years past, had to try out the rainbow of distros, give up and wait a few more years until I found something that worked.

    Ubuntu was the first distro that worked for me. It took a year, but I moved my Photography business from 100% windows based to 100% linux based. I am still using some windows based applications, but over time I hope to transition those to free software too. But where I can't, I will use commercial software. I will be happy to pay for it because it lets me get my work done. I believe CNR is going to be key in that regard giving vendors the ability to sell to me easily.

    When I can use Gimp for decent text/page layout, I will be able to stop using Photoshop. As is, I am using Gimp for maybe 75% and Photoshop for the remaining 25% that Gimp can't do. If I had to only rely on Gimp, I would be in big trouble. So I wait and bide my time until Gimp improves.

    And until something like ufraw makes some improvements in noise reduction and some other details, I will continue to to use bibble for raw editing and batch processing of photos.

    On the bright side, K3b is all the burning software I need. No longer needing nero is a great thing. Thunderbird and openoffice, same thing, bye-bye ms office.

    So it is a compromise right now in some things. But as improvements are made, I plan on switching as soon as it is practically possible. The hard part for me is already over. Now it comes down to fine tuning.
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