yast4ubuntu

[lotusleaf]

Originally Posted by Brunellus because yast is a perfectly good tool, and is now open to be developed and adapted by the community.

Agreed, and last year in another thread I mentioned how I wished that "Ubuntu had something like sax2 (SuSE advanced X Window System-configuration)". Sure people can edit their xorg config to adjust their monitor's resolution, but I'm betting that a good majority of Linux newbies would prefer a GUI solution for what should be a simple task.

To sidetrack to Kubuntu for a second, the past few versions I've tried (and still use with delight) have been missing the resolution changing feature in the desktop settings unless one finds, modifies, and saves the correct file. Why is this happening? IMO that's about as dumb as removing the shortcut to the KDE Control Center in favor of one small menu. Hello, McFly?

I used to use SUSE but left it for Ubuntu, and while I disliked YaST's package management, I still miss some of the easy-to-use tools YaST offered, such as sax2, especially when I'm setting up Ubuntu for new Linux users.

Why don't we forget about discussing YaST's package management offerings since threads about yast4debian/yast4ubuntu/etc. usually get mired in useless oceans of "I hate YAST's package manager" nonsense and eventually drown the thread with negativity. YaST has a lot of useful utilities to offer ASIDE from the package management, so why don't we focus on what USEFUL offerings YAST may have for Ubuntu if ported?

[Ricardo Cruz]

Originally Posted by lotusleaf Agreed, and last year in another thread I mentioned how I wished that "Ubuntu had something like sax2 (SuSE advanced X Window System-configuration)". Sure people can edit their xorg config to adjust their monitor's resolution, but I'm betting that a good majority of Linux newbies would prefer a GUI solution for what should be a simple task.

I can check that for you, but I am pretty sure that Sax isn't really a Yast tool. I mean, it is integrated in the Yast control center, but it isn't really made using Yast. There is some more integration in the installer, but I believe is made possible through a set of Sax command line options and output.

Anyway, if you guys get serious about a Yast port, it should be possible to get people from Suse exciting and doing that for you. Text mode isn't really desirable because you really want to see changes on the fly, neither is macros, since graphical card / monitor is just too specific and automatic detection should be safer. But I see a couple of advantages: file editing could be made better (hopefully getting rid of the "# PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE!") and one would get the upcoming GTK+ interface.
The main advantage for you would of course be that it would be easier to port.

[SuperMike]

With the UST project on SourceForge, I'm currently experimenting offline with converting the menu demo entirely over to PHP-cli. I just found a way to do this today using fopen, fgets, and system('stty echo') and system('stty -echo') but am working out the kinks. Once it's in PHP-cli with wrapper functions, it's going to be a lot easier to get others to sign up and finish out the data entry forms and the "file configurator".

You may see a news item on fridge.ubuntu.com soon about this. Stay tuned. The Ubuntu Fridge editor emailed me back.

[pirast]

It's real

[hogman23]

Originally Posted by T700 Why would you want YaST on Ubuntu? I'm serious--I'm trying to understand the advantages. Paul

Thank You Paul, I was about to type the same exact line when I read this post. I almost threw up when I saw the title. Why would you put something as intrusive as Yast on a perfectly good linux distro. Yast is the whole reason that we aren't putting SUSE servers in production other than those servers that are replacing NetWare boxes. Apt is a good part of the reason that we are moving our RedHat boxes to Ubuntu.
Please don't ruin a good thing with an intrusive piece of dung!

[hogman23]

Originally Posted by kuyaedz Last time I used SuSE and YaST, which I will never do again, I realized the superiority of aptitude. Why anyone would want to use a bloated, slow and un-intuitive system like YaST I don't know. I've recently re-compared Ubuntu with other big players like Fedora 5 and SuSE 10.1. I wish these other groups would realize that Linux doesn't have to be complicated. Just use Ubuntu, stick with efficient & fast aptitude and be happy.

Exactly.....
Dude if you want a bubbly, dumbed down interface for end-user administration of machines, then go back to Windows!!!

[jeffc313]

Originally Posted by hogman23 Exactly..... Dude if you want a bubbly, dumbed down interface for end-user administration of machines, then go back to Windows!!!

you may feel that way, but many people dont. I personally tried SuSE, and found it adequate, but Found that i had fallen into dependancy hell rather quickly. Never again will i use a non Debian distro. But back on the topic, you may not need YaST, I for one dont need YaST for ubuntu, but it would be nice, becuase it does bring a certain user-friendlyness to linux for those of us who need it or who have family members who need it *cough*my dad*cough*

[pirast]

You muddle up RPM with YaST!

Martin

Originally Posted by hogman23 Thank You Paul, I was about to type the same exact line when I read this post. I almost threw up when I saw the title. Why would you put something as intrusive as Yast on a perfectly good linux distro. Yast is the whole reason that we aren't putting SUSE servers in production other than those servers that are replacing NetWare boxes. Apt is a good part of the reason that we are moving our RedHat boxes to Ubuntu. Please don't ruin a good thing with an intrusive piece of dung!

[ice60]

i had to install SUSE becuase Ubuntu can't see my HDDs. i don't know what the difference beteen Yast and Yast2 is , but i think SUSE uses Yast2 now.

i think the fastest Yast2 will startup is just over one minute on 10.1 i hope it's faster on debian based systems.

[pirast]

Yeah, I have it currently starting in ~ 1 second.. The user module starts in ~ 5 seconds I was amazed of the speed since I used SuSE a long time ago, too.

Here is a new screenshot, I just got the user module running.

Martin