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    Forcepae: Unable to boot live or install from 14.04 - blank screen

    I have an old Toshiba R100 (non-PAE Pentium M) which has been running 12.04 happily. When I read 14.04 now included the forcepae fix as a boot option I burnt a Lubuntu DVD and gave it a go.

    I'm adding the forcepae option and getting the 'warning: forcing pae in cpu' message as you'd expect so I think that's all fine. I then get the Lubuntu 14.04 blue loading screen with dots below followed by two messages,

    "starting lightdm display manager"
    "stopping send an event to indicate plymouth is up".

    Then the screen goes blank and I can hear the dvd drive spin down, additionally ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't give me a tty terminal. I have to power off with the button.

    I've tried Xubuntu and Ubuntu as well, Xubuntu does the same, ends with a freeze on a blank screen. Ubuntu gives me the 'running in low graphics mode' dialog, none of the options get me any further though (either another blank freeze or returned to that dialog).

    Be glad of any advice,

    Thanks.

    Here's my lshw output for starters,

    Code:
    computer
        description: Notebook
        version: PPR10E-04M8Z-EN
        width: 32 bits
        capabilities: smbios-2.3 dmi-2.3
        configuration: administrator_password=disabled boot=normal chassis=notebook frontpanel_password=disabled keyboard_password=disabled power-on_password=disabled uuid=[REMOVED]
      *-core
           description: Motherboard
           product: Portable PC
           vendor: TOSHIBA
           physical id: 0
           version: Version A0
           serial: [REMOVED]
         *-firmware
              description: BIOS
              vendor: TOSHIBA
              physical id: 0
              version: Version 1.60
              date: 05/17/2005
              size: 128KiB
              capacity: 448KiB
              capabilities: isa pci pcmcia pnp apm upgrade shadowing vesa cdboot bootselect pcmciaboot edd int13floppytoshiba int13floppy720 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer acpi usb agp biosbootspecification netboot
         *-cpu:0 DISABLED
              description: CPU [empty]
              vendor: Intel Corporation
              physical id: 4
              slot: uFC-PGA Socket
            *-cache:0
                 description: L1 cache
                 physical id: 12
                 slot: CPU Internal
                 size: 64KiB
                 capacity: 64KiB
                 clock: 1GHz (1.0ns)
                 capabilities: internal write-back unified
            *-cache:1
                 description: L2 cache
                 physical id: 13
                 slot: CPU Internal
                 size: 1MiB
                 capacity: 1MiB
                 clock: 1GHz (1.0ns)
                 capabilities: internal write-back unified
         *-memory
              description: System Memory
              physical id: 81
              slot: System board or motherboard
              size: 1280MiB
              capacity: 1280MiB
            *-bank:0
                 description: Project-Id-Version: lshwReport-Msgid-Bugs-To: FULL NAME <EMAIL@ADDRESS>POT-Creation-Date: 2009-10-08 14:02+0200PO-Revision-Date: 2012-02-05 00:26+0000Last-Translator: Andi Chandler <Unknown>Language-Team: English (United Kingdom) <en_GB@li.org>MIME-Version: 1.0Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bitX-Launchpad-Export-Date: 2014-01-06 21:08+0000X-Generator: Launchpad (build 16877) SDRAM Synchronous
                 physical id: 0
                 slot: System 0
                 size: 256MiB
                 width: 64 bits
            *-bank:1
                 description: SODIMM SDRAM Synchronous
                 physical id: 1
                 slot: DIMM 1
                 size: 1GiB
                 width: 64 bits
         *-cpu:1
              product: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1000MHz
              vendor: Intel Corp.
              physical id: 1
              bus info: cpu@0
              version: 6.9.5
              size: 1GHz
              capacity: 1GHz
              width: 32 bits
              capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 tm pbe up bts est tm2 cpufreq
         *-pci
              description: Host bridge
              product: 82855PM Processor to I/O Controller
              vendor: Intel Corporation
              physical id: 100
              bus info: pci@0000:00:00.0
              version: 03
              width: 32 bits
              clock: 33MHz
              configuration: driver=agpgart-intel
              resources: irq:0 memory:c0000000-cfffffff
            *-pci:0
                 description: PCI bridge
                 product: 82855PM Processor to AGP Controller
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:01.0
                 version: 03
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 66MHz
                 capabilities: pci normal_decode bus_master
                 resources: memory:dff00000-f7ffffff memory:50000000-500fffff
               *-display UNCLAIMED
                    description: VGA compatible controller
                    product: CyberBlade XP4m32
                    vendor: Trident Microsystems
                    physical id: 0
                    bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
                    version: 91
                    width: 32 bits
                    clock: 66MHz
                    capabilities: agp agp-2.0 pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list
                    configuration: latency=8
                    resources: memory:f0000000-f7ffffff memory:efc00000-efffffff memory:e0000000-e7ffffff memory:dfff8000-dfffffff memory:50000000-5003ffff
            *-usb:0
                 description: USB controller
                 product: 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1d
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.0
                 version: 03
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: uhci bus_master
                 configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
                 resources: irq:11 ioport:efe0(size=32)
            *-usb:1
                 description: USB controller
                 product: 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1d.1
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.1
                 version: 03
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: uhci bus_master
                 configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
                 resources: irq:11 ioport:ef80(size=32)
            *-usb:2
                 description: USB controller
                 product: 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1d.7
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.7
                 version: 03
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pm debug ehci bus_master cap_list
                 configuration: driver=ehci_hcd latency=0
                 resources: irq:11 memory:50100000-501003ff
            *-pci:1
                 description: PCI bridge
                 product: 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1e
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1e.0
                 version: 83
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pci normal_decode bus_master
                 resources: ioport:c000(size=4096) memory:dfd00000-dfdfffff memory:54000000-57ffffff
               *-network:0
                    description: Ethernet interface
                    product: 82801DB PRO/100 VE (MOB) Ethernet Controller
                    vendor: Intel Corporation
                    physical id: 8
                    bus info: pci@0000:02:08.0
                    logical name: eth0
                    version: 83
                    serial: [REMOVED]
                    size: 10Mbit/s
                    capacity: 100Mbit/s
                    width: 32 bits
                    clock: 33MHz
                    capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
                    configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=e100 driverversion=3.5.24-k2-NAPI duplex=half firmware=N/A latency=64 link=no maxlatency=56 mingnt=8 multicast=yes port=MII speed=10Mbit/s
                    resources: irq:11 memory:dfdff000-dfdfffff ioport:cf40(size=64)
               *-network:1
                    description: Wireless interface
                    product: PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter
                    vendor: Intel Corporation
                    physical id: a
                    bus info: pci@0000:02:0a.0
                    logical name: eth1
                    version: 04
                    serial: [REMOVED]
                    width: 32 bits
                    clock: 33MHz
                    capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless
                    configuration: broadcast=yes driver=ipw2100 driverversion=git-1.2.2 firmware=712.0.3:3:00000001 ip=[REMOVED] latency=64 link=yes maxlatency=34 mingnt=2 multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11b
                    resources: irq:11 memory:dfdfe000-dfdfefff
               *-pcmcia
                    description: CardBus bridge
                    product: ToPIC100 PCI to Cardbus Bridge with ZV Support
                    vendor: Toshiba America Info Systems
                    physical id: b
                    bus info: pci@0000:02:0b.0
                    version: 33
                    width: 32 bits
                    clock: 33MHz
                    capabilities: pcmcia bus_master cap_list
                    configuration: driver=yenta_cardbus latency=0 maxlatency=5 mingnt=128
                    resources: irq:11 memory:58000000-58000fff ioport:c400(size=256) ioport:c000(size=256) memory:54000000-57ffffff memory:5c000000-5fffffff
               *-generic UNCLAIMED
                    description: System peripheral
                    product: SD TypA Controller
                    vendor: Toshiba America Info Systems
                    physical id: d
                    bus info: pci@0000:02:0d.0
                    version: 05
                    width: 32 bits
                    clock: 33MHz
                    capabilities: pm cap_list
                    configuration: latency=0
                    resources: memory:dfd00000-dfd001ff
            *-isa
                 description: ISA bridge
                 product: 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1f
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.0
                 version: 03
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: isa bus_master
                 configuration: latency=0
            *-ide
                 description: IDE interface
                 product: 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1f.1
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.1
                 logical name: scsi0
                 version: 03
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: ide bus_master emulated
                 configuration: driver=ata_piix latency=0
                 resources: irq:11 ioport:1f0(size=8) ioport:3f6 ioport:170(size=8) ioport:376 ioport:bfa0(size=16) memory:50100400-501007ff
               *-disk
                    description: ATA Disk
                    product: KingSpec KSD-CF1
                    physical id: 0.0.0
                    bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
                    logical name: /dev/sda
                    version: 2012
                    serial: [REMOVED]
                    size: 29GiB (31GB)
                    capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
                    configuration: ansiversion=5 signature=000502e5
                  *-volume:0
                       description: EXT4 volume
                       vendor: Linux
                       physical id: 1
                       bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,1
                       logical name: /dev/sda1
                       logical name: /
                       version: 1.0
                       serial: [REMOVED]
                       size: 28GiB
                       capacity: 28GiB
                       capabilities: primary bootable journaled extended_attributes large_files huge_files dir_nlink recover extents ext4 ext2 initialized
                       configuration: created=2014-04-02 19:00:01 filesystem=ext4 lastmountpoint=/ modified=2014-04-02 19:13:49 mount.fstype=ext4 mount.options=rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered mounted=2014-04-21 23:46:39 state=mounted
                  *-volume:1
                       description: Extended partition
                       physical id: 2
                       bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,2
                       logical name: /dev/sda2
                       size: 1277MiB
                       capacity: 1277MiB
                       capabilities: primary extended partitioned partitioned:extended
                     *-logicalvolume
                          description: Linux swap / Solaris partition
                          physical id: 5
                          logical name: /dev/sda5
                          capacity: 1277MiB
                          capabilities: nofs
            *-multimedia
                 description: Multimedia audio controller
                 product: 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1f.5
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.5
                 version: 03
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
                 configuration: driver=snd_intel8x0 latency=0
                 resources: irq:11 ioport:1000(size=256) ioport:1880(size=64) memory:50100800-501009ff memory:50100a00-50100aff
            *-communication
                 description: Modem
                 product: 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1f.6
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.6
                 version: 03
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pm generic bus_master cap_list
                 configuration: driver=snd_intel8x0m latency=0
                 resources: irq:11 ioport:1400(size=256) ioport:1800(size=128)
         *-scsi:0
              physical id: 2
              bus info: usb@1:2
              logical name: scsi2
              capabilities: emulated scsi-host
              configuration: driver=usb-storage
            *-cdrom
                 description: DVD-RAM writer
                 product: DVD+-RW GH50N
                 vendor: HL-DT-ST
                 physical id: 0.0.0
                 bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
                 logical name: /dev/cdrom
                 logical name: /dev/cdrw
                 logical name: /dev/dvd
                 logical name: /dev/dvdrw
                 logical name: /dev/sr0
                 logical name: /media/Lubuntu 14.04 LTS i386
                 version: B104
                 capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
                 configuration: mount.fstype=iso9660 mount.options=ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,mode=0400,dmode=0500 state=mounted status=ready
               *-medium
                    physical id: 0
                    logical name: /dev/cdrom
                    logical name: /media/Lubuntu 14.04 LTS i386
                    capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
                    configuration: mount.fstype=iso9660 mount.options=ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,mode=0400,dmode=0500 signature=0e838d4d state=mounted
                  *-volume UNCLAIMED
                       description: Hidden HPFS/NTFS partition
                       physical id: 1
                       capacity: 682MiB
                       capabilities: primary bootable hidden
         *-scsi:1
              physical id: 3
              logical name: scsi3
              capabilities: emulated
            *-disk
                 description: ATA Disk
                 product: SanDisk SDP3B-12
                 physical id: 0.0.0
                 bus info: scsi@3:0.0.0
                 logical name: /dev/sdb
                 version: Vdg
                 serial: [REMOVED]
                 size: 1221MiB (1280MB)
                 capabilities: removable
                 configuration: ansiversion=5
               *-medium
                    physical id: 0
                    logical name: /dev/sdb
                    size: 1221MiB (1280MB)
                    capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
                    configuration: signature=000b8fa4
                  *-volume
                       description: Windows FAT volume
                       vendor: mkdosfs
                       physical id: 1
                       logical name: /dev/sdb1
                       version: FAT32
                       serial: [REMOVED]
                       size: 1214MiB
                       capacity: 1214MiB
                       capabilities: primary fat initialized
                       configuration: FATs=2 filesystem=fat
      *-battery
           description: Lithium-Polymer Battery
           product: L6113A
           vendor: TOSHIBA
           physical id: 1
           version: 09/04/03
           serial: [REMOVED]
           slot: 1st Battery
           configuration: voltage=10.8V

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    Re: Forcepae: Unable to boot live or install from 14.04 - blank screen

    Have you tried the same option for the alternate ISO?

    By the way, Lubuntu fits to a CD. There's no need for a DVD.
    Bringing old hardware back to life. About problems due to upgrading.
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    Re: Forcepae: Unable to boot live or install from 14.04 - blank screen

    Hi thanks for the reply, yes, I tried the lubuntu alternate iso while it was still in beta 2 (not since). As I recall I could go through the text-based setup ok but I never got to a desktop. After the 'Lubuntu 14.04' splash screen with activity indicator dots below I got the blank screen freeze.

    I'm all out of CD's at the moment, DVD-RW's I've got plenty...

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    Re: Forcepae: Unable to boot live or install from 14.04 - blank screen

    AFAIK, force pae is intended for processors which do have pae capability but do not advertise it in the cpu flags.
    Are you sure your processor supports pae?
    You've got plenty of RAM for the installation so that's not the cause of your problems.

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    Re: Forcepae: Unable to boot live or install from 14.04 - blank screen

    hi kalehrl, that seems like a possibility. It seems difficult to determine if that is the case though. Obviously if a cpu reports the pae flag then that's fine, but of the ones that don't how can we know if they really do but just aren't saying?

    Is there some test I can do beyond just checking for the flag in cpuinfo?

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    Re: Forcepae: Unable to boot live or install from 14.04 - blank screen

    Check this out:
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE#Test
    There was also a mention of non-pae kernel build on Lubuntu mailing list but I don't know how far that has gone.

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    Re: Forcepae: Unable to boot live or install from 14.04 - blank screen

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2216356

    Until that the easiest solution is probably LXLE or Bodhi Linux.
    Last edited by mörgæs; April 23rd, 2014 at 08:34 AM.
    Bringing old hardware back to life. About problems due to upgrading.
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    Re: Forcepae: Unable to boot live or install from 14.04 - blank screen

    Thanks for the links and advice, I'll follow those up.

    Had also read that debian still offer a non-pae kernel, so may give that a try...

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    Re: Forcepae: Unable to boot live or install from 14.04 - blank screen

    here's my output from cpuid

    Code:
     eax in    eax      ebx      ecx      edx
    00000000 00000002 756e6547 6c65746e 49656e69
    00000001 00000695 00000816 00000180 a7e9f9bf
    00000002 02b3b001 00000000 00000000 2c043087
    80000000 80000004 00000000 00000000 00000000
    80000001 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
    80000002 20202020 20202020 65746e49 2952286c
    80000003 6e655020 6d756974 20295228 7270204d
    80000004 7365636f 20726f73 30303031 007a484d
    
    Vendor ID: "GenuineIntel"; CPUID level 2
    
    Intel-specific functions:
    Version 00000695:
    Type 0 - Original OEM
    Family 6 - Pentium Pro
    Model 9 - 
    Stepping 5
    Reserved 0
    
    Brand index: 22 [not in table]
    Extended brand string: "        Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1000MHz"
    CLFLUSH instruction cache line size: 8
    
    Feature flags a7e9f9bf:
    FPU    Floating Point Unit
    VME    Virtual 8086 Mode Enhancements
    DE     Debugging Extensions
    PSE    Page Size Extensions
    TSC    Time Stamp Counter
    MSR    Model Specific Registers
    MCE    Machine Check Exception
    CX8    COMPXCHG8B Instruction
    SEP    Fast System Call
    MTRR   Memory Type Range Registers
    PGE    PTE Global Flag
    MCA    Machine Check Architecture
    CMOV   Conditional Move and Compare Instructions
    FGPAT  Page Attribute Table
    CLFSH  CFLUSH instruction
    DS     Debug store
    ACPI   Thermal Monitor and Clock Ctrl
    MMX    MMX instruction set
    FXSR   Fast FP/MMX Streaming SIMD Extensions save/restore
    SSE    Streaming SIMD Extensions instruction set
    SSE2   SSE2 extensions
    TM     Thermal monitor
    31     reserved
    
    TLB and cache info:
    b0: unknown TLB/cache descriptor
    b3: unknown TLB/cache descriptor
    02: Instruction TLB: 4MB pages, 4-way set assoc, 2 entries
    87: unknown TLB/cache descriptor
    30: unknown TLB/cache descriptor
    04: Data TLB: 4MB pages, 4-way set assoc, 8 entries
    2c: unknown TLB/cache descriptor
    megsona@R100:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
    processor	: 0
    vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
    cpu family	: 6
    model		: 9
    model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1000MHz
    stepping	: 5
    microcode	: 0x7
    cpu MHz		: 600.000
    cache size	: 1024 KB
    fdiv_bug	: no
    hlt_bug		: no
    f00f_bug	: no
    coma_bug	: no
    fpu		: yes
    fpu_exception	: yes
    cpuid level	: 2
    wp		: yes
    flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 tm pbe up bts est tm2
    bogomips	: 1197.04
    clflush size	: 64
    cache_alignment	: 64
    address sizes	: 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
    power management:
    The second last line doesn't look too promising...

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    Re: Forcepae: Unable to boot live or install from 14.04 - blank screen

    Just to close this thread off, I torrented the live lxde version of debian 7.4. The boot menu from that offers a 486 pae option as well as a 686 non-pae. Went for the 486 and it installed no problem. Quite happy with that.

    Thanks for your help.

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