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    Angry Installing Ubuntu on Asus N550LF as dual boot with W8... or at all

    EDIT: It turned out to be some strange issue with the USB key. If anyone else is encountering this I'd recommend using Universal USB Installer instead of Unetbootin to burn the .iso, then, after install, use Boot Repair to get the boot options right and ensure Launch CSM is disabled in Aptio.

    Hi, I've been trying to install Ubuntu on my Asus laptop but it's proving extremely difficult to get the bootloader to recognise my liveUSB due to this godawful UEFI thing.

    Bit of background: When I bought my laptop I also bought an SSHD and a caddy. My friend very kindly installed the SSHD in the optical drive for me and installed Arch on it. Unfortunately, something went horribly wrong during the install process, and when I tried to get it up and running with a desktop and all the other usual bits and pieces I found that all the libraries needed for internet access and... most other things weren't to be found. Installing them from USB did nothing so after a few weeks of booting back and forth between W8 (to search for and write down terminal code) and Arch (to try typing in said code in the hope something would happen) I gave up and decided to just try installing a distro which has all the required libraries as standard.

    Fortunately, my friend had taken care of most of the donkey's work like disabling fast boot in W8 and disabling secure boot in aptio, so I can at least access the boot menu easily enough. I tried first with a UbuntuGNOME 13.10 image. I burned it to the USB with UNetBootin and it all seemed to go OK. It didn't show up as an option on the boot menu so, as per advice on the internet, I enabled Launch CSM. That solved the problem in that the USB key (or something) now shows up as "Generic Storage Device" on the boot menu but when I try to boot from it it gives me an error "Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press any key."

    I tried adding a boot option, but the only drive it'll let me select to do so is the SSHD Arch is installed on. I also tried using WUBI just on the off chance, but it only recognises the drive W8 is installed on... I don't particularly want to overwrite W8, and the whole point is to install it to the SSHD anyway. I tried burning a generic Ubuntu 13.10 image and used that... but exactly the same problem. I'm pretty sure the USB key isn't the issue as I've used it for a bunch of stuff, it was also the installation media for Arch, which went fine apart from not having some libraries.

    So yeah... I'm a bit out of options here. My goal is to set up a dual boot between W8 and UbuntuGNOME, which I'm pretty sure I can do, but not unless I can get the bootloader to recognise the liveUSB. The whole thing is a bit worrying because I used to have no problem installing a new distro using BIOS, but with this whole UEFI thing it's turning into a bit of a nightmare. I'm pretty sure anyone not used to mucking around with their computer like this would have given up long before now.
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    Re: Installing Ubuntu on Asus N550LF as dual boot with W8... or at all

    Hmm, would I have been better off posting this in absolute beginners? I've used and installed Linux distros before, but this kind of stuff is getting a little beyond me.

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    Re: Installing Ubuntu on Asus N550LF as dual boot with W8... or at all

    Please do not bump but once per 24 hours. Many of us are not on 24 hours a day or even every day, so your thread may not be immediately noticed. We all are voluteers, just trying to help others.

    You cannot install wubi in gpt partitioned drives which all new UEFI systems are. That is the main reason wubi is being discontinued.

    You must have 64 bit version of Ubuntu or whichever flavor you want to boot in UEFI mode. If Windows is UEFI, you want Ubuntu in UEFI mode. And how you boot install media is how it installs, so you want to boot Ubuntu installer DVD or flash drive in UEFI mode.

    Some systems will not boot from caddy in DVD slot. Does yours actually boot from that or was system configured with Arch boot on internal drive and rest of system on caddy drive?

    Not familar with Gnome version, but underlying Ubuntu is the same.

    What model CPU? Some systems with new 4th Gen Haswell Intel chips need all the updates that Intel had offered to kernel, support software, and video drivers. And those updates to kernel etc with Ubuntu will be in 14.04, but it is still in beta.

    Backup efi partition and Windows partition before Install of Ubuntu.
    Shows install with screen shots for both BIOS & UEFI, so you know which you are using.
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
    Also shows Windows 8 screens
    http://askubuntu.com/questions/22183...ndows-8-system
    Boot Repair -Also handles LVM, GPT, separate /boot and UEFI dual boot. required for UEFI & grub bug fixes
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair

    More info with many good links for various versions of systems in link in my signature.

    Looks like you have Haswell and dual video which also adds a bit to installing. The newest nVidia may work with dual video now, not sure.
    Updates to nVidia Prime with 14.04 (only)
    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTU0MDI
    Newest nVidia Prime with 13.10 testing may run hot, but option to bumblebee
    http://www.webupd8.org/2013/08/using...vers-with.html
    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics
    nVidia Optimus and Ubuntu explained
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1657660
    Bumblebee:
    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
    http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/set-u...bumblebee.html
    http://askubuntu.com/questions/34861...and-driver-319
    Last edited by oldfred; April 3rd, 2014 at 04:21 PM.
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    Re: Installing Ubuntu on Asus N550LF as dual boot with W8... or at all

    Hi,

    Sorry about that, but it was a genuine question, is this in the right forum? I don't expect an answer immediately or anything, I know this isn't a paid tech support service Thanks for taking the time.

    I was using 64bit images, and I'm trying to install Ubuntu to the SSHD, not the USB key (I'm just using that as install media). The process I've always used in the past for that is: Burn image to disk/usb, boot from the disk/usb and use the menu to install to a hard drive. It always worked fine in the past with BIOS, but maybe I'm wasting my time trying it with UEFI?

    That's a good question, I didn't do the Arch install myself so I'm actually not sure, all I know is that Arch seems to boot up fine and it's an option in the bootloader. The regular HDD is slot number 0 and the SSDH is slot number 1. When I tried to set up new boot options the only path it would let me choose seemed to point to slot 1 so I think it's booting off that disk, but I'm not sure.

    I'm not too worried about installing UbuntuGNOME itself: If I can get regular Ubuntu installed I can always install Gnome afterwards. What's bothering me is that I can't even get the liveUSB recognised.

    Specs are as follows...
    * Processor: Intel Core™ i7 4500U Processor
    * Memory: DDR3L MHz SDRAM, 2x SO-DIMM socket, SO-DIMM Up to 16 G
    * GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M with 2GB/4GB DDR3 VRAM

    Hmmm, so I might have to wait for the next LTS? Another few weeks won't hurt I guess. If I survived W8 this long I can wait a little longer

    Thanks for the links, I'd already tried to follow the first one, but I can't get the liveUSB to boot at all. I'll give the rest a look though. Thanks again for taking the time to respond.

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    Re: Installing Ubuntu on Asus N550LF as dual boot with W8... or at all

    Some UEFI/BIOS require added settings to let you boot from USB ports. Not only do you have to make sure secure boot is off, but also enable USB ports for booting. Check USB settings.

    You should see two boot options for flash drive, one UEFI and one not UEFI but often not clear what it is, may be BIOS/CSM/Legacy or just label of flash drive without UEFI.

    I just installed 14.04 in a test partition, but my system is BIOS only.

    If you want to know details of existing system run the BootInfo report. Not sure if it runs ok from Arch, but you can run from Ubuntu live installer once you get that going. May be best to know, so we can make better suggestions on overinstalling with Ubuntu.
    Boot Repair -Also handles LVM, GPT, separate /boot and UEFI dual boot.:
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair

    A thread on Dell's said you have to have legacy boot on even when booting in UEFI mode as Intel has some internal issue in its software.
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    Re: Installing Ubuntu on Asus N550LF as dual boot with W8... or at all

    Hi,

    That's all very helpful thanks. I'll try looking through the USB settings to see if I missed anything, would you recommend trying the 14.04 Beta rather than 13.10?

    I'll have a go at bootinfo too and see what comes up. Would I need to use bootrepair just to get things going? Or only if things go wrong? Thanks for the link at any rate. Wow, that bootmenu looks much fancier than mine

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    Re: Installing Ubuntu on Asus N550LF as dual boot with W8... or at all

    You may have better luck with 14.04. Just realize it is beta, but it just hit feature freeze and only last minute bugs will be worked on until final release. As long as you do not have it as the only way to boot, you an install it. Several others (not sure of models) with new Haswell based systems found it worked better. But some other systems also worked better with older installs like 12.04 before the current 12.04.4.

    Most of the fixes now in newest Ubuntu, now do not require Boot-Repair to fix up anything. Only those systems with 'buggy' UEFI or those where vendor modified UEFI to only boot Windows may need work arounds.
    But Boot-Repair is also a very good tool to document and understand details of system.
    Run it and post link to BootInfo report.

    ubfan1 just posted in another thread that some also require you to set an adminstrative password in UEFI to get things to work. I have seen that before but forgotten. Not sure which models.
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    Re: Installing Ubuntu on Asus N550LF as dual boot with W8... or at all

    Thanks, I'll try all that so. Setting an admin password shouldn't be too much trouble, I know where it keeps that.

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    Re: Installing Ubuntu on Asus N550LF as dual boot with W8... or at all

    Right, I had a go at the following:

    -Tried burning a 14.04 image, just in case it all magically decided to work, sadly it didn't XD

    -I set an admin password in the Aptio menu just in case it unlocked any hidden security features, no such luck

    -Had a hunt through the settings in case there was anything about USB, there was, but it's all enabled anyway. Handy though: If I ever need to freeze my USB ports from startup I now know how

    -I asked my friend about the Arch boot option, he says it points to the main HDD as you suggested, then wanders off to the SHDD from there

    -Couldn't find any information on bootinfo, but I'll give it a go anyhow

    Overall: Wow, wintel have really done a number on linux/everything else here.

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    Re: Installing Ubuntu on Asus N550LF as dual boot with W8... or at all

    If you can still boot into Arch, you can download this. It runs mostly standard Linux commands, not sure if Arch has them all or not. Then just run the BootInfo report.

    Boot Repair -Also handles LVM, GPT, separate /boot and UEFI dual boot.:
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
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