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    Portable installed system that boots in UEFI as well as in BIOS mode

    Edit: Stable portable systems

    If you want a stable portable system, that boots in UEFI mode as well as BIOS/CSM mode, and in 64-bit as well as 32-bit computers, you can try

    One pendrive for all PC (Intel/AMD) computers. If you want a pendrive with a live and an installed system, that works in UEFI and BIOS mode, you can try

    A new and so far successful attempt to create a stable portable system, that works in UEFI and BIOS mode



    Detailed description of the original installed system


    I wanted an installed system as a good alternative to a persistent live system that boots new computers with and without UEFI. So I made one, which is described in this link

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In.../UEFI-and-BIOS

    But I have tested it in only two computers, my Toshiba laptop, where I made it, and in my son's HP Elitebook laptop, so I don't know how portable it is.

    The method is described in detail, and there is a compressed image of an Ubuntu 12.04.4 system available at

    http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/uefi-n-bios

    I think the method is at least as important to test as the compressed image, if and how it works in other computers.

    So now, that we have finished testing beta 2, maybe there is time for you to try the method and make an UEFI-and-BIOS pendrive with your favourite flavour of Ubuntu Trusty beta 2.

    Not stable enough to survive certain updates

    I expected that this 'Portable installed system that boots in UEFI as well as in BIOS mode' could be installed into a USB pendrive as a good alternative to a persistent live system, possible to update and upgrade without limits. But unfortunately a current update involving a new kernel and updating grub will make it fail to boot. So this system is not stable enough to survive certain updates. It is good only as an illustration of a method to make a bootable drive in UEFI as well as BIOS mode.

    Links

    It might be a good idea to try various systems and methods before deciding what to install. Try Ubuntu (Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, ...) before installing it

    The following links contain general information
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...n/FromUSBStick
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskSpace
    Last edited by sudodus; April 11th, 2015 at 10:10 AM. Reason: tested in two computers; 'not stable ...'; added links

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    Re: Portable installed system that boots in UEFI as well as in BIOS mode

    I was just experimenting with a ready-made saucy pendrive install and it works just fine on UEFI and non-UEFI.

    Code:
    ventrical@ventrical-MS-7798:~$ lspci
    00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)
    00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
    00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
    00:03.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express MEI Controller (rev 02)
    00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02)
    00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02)
    00:1a.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 02)
    00:1a.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #6 (rev 02)
    00:1a.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
    00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
    00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02)
    00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 02)
    00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 02)
    00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 02)
    00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 5 (rev 02)
    00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
    00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
    00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02)
    00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
    00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 92)
    00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801IO (ICH9DO) LPC Interface Controller (rev 02)
    00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801IR/IO/IH (ICH9R/DO/DH) 4 port SATA Controller [IDE mode] (rev 02)
    00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 02)
    00:1f.5 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) 2 port SATA Controller [IDE mode] (rev 02)
    03:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6101/6102 single-port PATA133 interface (rev b2)
    06:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): LSI Corporation FW322/323 [TrueFire] 1394a Controller (rev 70)
    ventrical@ventrical-MS-7798:~$
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    Re: Portable installed system that boots in UEFI as well as in BIOS mode

    OK .. I think I am not on the same topic here. I just merely <enabled> UEFI in BIOS and booted to an already existing install from a pendrive. I tried some of your code from the link and it does not report that I am in UEFI mode.
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    Re: Portable installed system that boots in UEFI as well as in BIOS mode

    Quote Originally Posted by ventrical View Post
    OK .. I think I am not on the same topic here. I just merely <enabled> UEFI in BIOS and booted to an already existing install from a pendrive. I tried some of your code from the link and it does not report that I am in UEFI mode.
    An Ubuntu desktop 64-bit install DVD or USB drive can boot into both systems (UEFI - grub, BIOS - syslinux), and with my method an installed system is tweaked to boot via grub in both UEFI and BIOS by activating different paths to booting.

    In my Toshiba, it is not possible to boot a system made for BIOS, when I enable UEFI. And it is not possible to boot a system made for UEFI, when I disable UEFI by selecting 'CSM', which means enabling old style BIOS mode.

    UEFI Compatibility Support Module (CSM) provides compatibility support for traditional legacy BIOS. This allows allows the booting an operating system that requires a traditional option ROM support, such as BIOS Int 10h video calls.
    I think that the UEFI systems are not standardized, but vary a lot, which can make the experience different between computers.

    -o-

    The system, that you can expand from

    http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/u...S-7.8GB.img.xz

    boots clearly differently for me when I set the computer in UEFI mode and BIOS (CSM) mode. The grub menu is rendered differently, so it is easy for me to identify. But the same installed Ubuntu system is running after grub.

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    Re: Portable installed system that boots in UEFI as well as in BIOS mode

    This UEFI-n-BIOS booter was developed in my Toshiba

    http://www.toshiba.se/laptops/satell...-pro-c850-19w/

    and today I tested it in a Dell Latitude E5430 non-vPro with the following specs according to lshw
    Code:
    computer
        description: Laptop
        product: Latitude E5430 non-vPro (Latitude E5430 non-vPro)
        vendor: Winbond Electronics
        version: 01
        serial: [REMOVED]
        width: 64 bits
        capabilities: smbios-2.7 dmi-2.7 vsyscall32
        configuration: boot=normal chassis=laptop sku=Latitude E5430 non-vPro uuid=[REMOVED]
      *-core
           description: Motherboard
           product: 0MYF02
           vendor: Winbond Electronics
           physical id: 0
           version: A00
           serial: [REMOVED]
         *-firmware
              description: BIOS
              vendor: Winbond Electronics
              physical id: 0
              version: A11
              date: 05/20/2013
              size: 64KiB
              capacity: 13MiB
              capabilities: pci pnp upgrade shadowing cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13flop
    py1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer a
    cpi usb smartbattery biosbootspecification netboot
         *-cpu
              description: CPU
              product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3120M CPU @ 2.50GHz
              vendor: Intel Corp.
              physical id: 53
              bus info: cpu@0
              version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3120M CPU @ 2.50GHz
              slot: SOCKET 0
              size: 1200MHz
    :
              capacity: 2500MHz
              width: 64 bits
              clock: 100MHz
              capabilities: x86-64 fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic popcnt tsc_deadline_timer xsave avx f16c lahf_lm arat epb xsaveopt pln pts dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase smep erms cpufreq
              configuration: cores=2 enabledcores=2 threads=4
    ...
         *-memory
              description: System Memory
              physical id: 46
              slot: System board or motherboard
              size: 2GiB
    ...
    Pressing F12 at boot, I arrived at a boot menu, with one entry to boot from the USB pendrive in BIOS (legacy) mode and another entry to boot the pendrive in UEFI mode (along with all the other entries including booting Windows).

    And the computer could run this portable installed system in UEFI as well as in BIOS mode.

    Edit: But it does not run in UEFI secure mode, not even in the Toshiba, where it was developed.
    Last edited by sudodus; April 14th, 2014 at 03:26 PM.

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    Re: Portable installed system that boots in UEFI as well as in BIOS mode

    I have seen users with many different options.

    A few have no UEFI/BIOS options, it tries UEFI and if no efi partition tries BIOS.
    Some have settings that are UEFI or BIOS, but you can set either or both.
    Some have to have UEFI/BIOS setting to exact mode they want to use to boot and have to turn on/off UEFI and/or turn on/off BIOS.

    I think all have to turn off secure boot to get any other options as BIOS is not secure boot.

    For those that can boot either way the one time boot key if available should show both options.

    With a new Dell and Haswell processor, the suggestion was to turn on BIOS mode but boot in UEFI mode to fix some bug in the Haswell/Intel chip & software. Do not know how that would be related, thought UEFI & BIOS were totally separate?
    Last edited by oldfred; April 14th, 2014 at 03:48 PM.
    For info on UEFI boot install & repair - Updated Mar 2015:
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
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    Re: Portable installed system that boots in UEFI as well as in BIOS mode

    Not stable enough to survive certain updates

    I expected that this 'Portable installed system that boots in UEFI as well as in BIOS mode' could be installed into a USB pendrive as a good alternative to a persistent live system, possible to update and upgrade without limits. But unfortunately a current update involving a new kernel and updating grub will make it fail to boot. So this system is not stable enough to survive certain updates. It is good only as an illustration of a method to make a bootable drive in UEFI as well as BIOS mode.

    A stable portable system

    If you want a stable portable system, that boots in UEFI mode as well as BIOS/CSM mode, and in 64-bit as well as 32-bit computers, you can try One pendrive for all PC (Intel/AMD) computers


    Links

    It might be a good idea to try various systems and methods before deciding what to install. Try Ubuntu (Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, ...) before installing it

    The following links contain general information
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...n/FromUSBStick
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskSpace
    Last edited by sudodus; April 1st, 2015 at 08:15 AM. Reason: added 'and in 64-bit & 32-bit'

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    Re: Portable installed system that boots in UEFI as well as in BIOS mode

    A new and so far successful attempt to create a stable portable system, that works in UEFI and BIOS mode


    1. Current system, seems very stable so far

    The current system contains a live system and an installed system, and both work in UEFI and BIOS mode. The compressed image file

    dd_Ubuntu_14.04.2-UEFI-n-BIOS-10GB.img.xz

    at

    http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/uefi-n-bios/

    is created like this (only a crude description so far)


    A. Create an MSDOS partition table

    Use gparted to get a partition table with the following partitions (or similar if you wish, for example also a casper-rw partition),

    listed by fdisk -lu

    Code:
    Disk /dev/sdd: 15.7 GB, 15693664256 bytes
    64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 14966 cylinders, total 30651688 sectors
    Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    Disk identifier: 0x00063103
    
       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
    /dev/sdd1   *        2048     2623487     1310720    b  W95 FAT32
    /dev/sdd2         2625534    19400703     8387585    5  Extended
    /dev/sdd5         2625536    18350145     7862305   83  Linux
    /dev/sdd6        18352128    19400703      524288   82  Linux swap / Solaris
    listed by parted -l

    Code:
    Model: SanDisk Extreme (scsi)
    Disk /dev/sdd: 15.7GB
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
    Partition Table: msdos
    
    Number  Start   End     Size    Type      File system     Flags
     1      1049kB  1343MB  1342MB  primary   fat32           boot
     2      1344MB  9933MB  8589MB  extended
     5      1344MB  9395MB  8051MB  logical   ext4
     6      9396MB  9933MB  537MB   logical   linux-swap(v1)
    listed by lsblk

    Code:
    NAME        FSTYPE  LABEL               MOUNTPOINT
    sdd                                               
    ├─sdd1      vfat    usb-live            /media/usb-live
    ├─sdd2
    ├─sdd5      ext4    usb-installed       /media/usb-installed
    └─sdd6      swap
    B. Use the Startup Disk Creator alias usb-creator-gtk

    Install Ubuntu from the file

    ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso

    into partition 1 of a pendrive with at least 16 GB.


    C. Boot from the pendrive in UEFI mode and install Ubuntu

    Install Ubuntu into partition 5 of the same pendrive. Install the
    bootloader into partition 5 (not into the head of the drive).

    Tweak the boot configuration files

    Code:
    .../usb-live/syslinux/txt.cfg
    .../usb-live/boot/grub/grub.cfg
    .../usb-installed/boot/grub/grub.cfg
    according to the files that you find after installing with mkusb from

    dd_Ubuntu_14.04.2-UEFI-n-BIOS-10GB.img.xz

    to a pendrive.


    D. The pendrive uses the boot system of the Ubuntu installer

    Notice that this system is not like an ordinary installed system. It has an MSDOS partition table (not a GPT). It uses the boot system of the Ubuntu installer instead of what is normally created by installing in UEFI mode.

    This method seems stable when used in a USB pendrive. It is tested in two different laptops, a Toshiba Satellite and an HP Elitebook. The previous installed UEFI and BIOS pendrive system did not survive such adventures.

    It is also tested in an eSATA SSD drive, where it also works when installed according to the description above. But it might not work to flash the pendrive image directly to the SSD drive.



    2. Tweak the system

    A. Decrease wear for a pendrive

    Add the mount option noatime in /etc/fstab

    Code:
    # / was on /dev/sdb3 during installation
    UUID=4c518694-d97c-4910-bb7b-eeb6a6b73874  /  ext4  noatime,errors=remount-ro 0  1
    Do not copy this line. Add 'noatime' to your own line.

    It is also possible to remove the swap partition and the swap entry in /etc/fstab in order to avoid wear due to swapping.


    B. Move swap and grow root partition

    Move the swap partition and grow the root partition to use the whole drive. See this link

    http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/u...ios/GrowIt.pdf


    C. Login and password for the system to download

    The system that is installed from the compressed image file

    http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/u...OS-10GB.img.xz

    has the following user and password

    user: guru
    password: changeme



    Edit 1:
    It is straight-forward to install from the compressed image file with mkusb or mkusb-nox.

    Edit 2:
    It should be mentioned that the shift key or any other key should be held down while booting into BIOS mode, otherwise we do not get the menu with the the installed 'ubuntu' entry.
    Last edited by sudodus; April 17th, 2015 at 12:02 PM. Reason: thanks ventrical for suggesting what to describe better

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    Re: Portable installed system that boots in UEFI as well as in BIOS mode

    Quote Originally Posted by sudodus View Post
    A new and so far successful attempt to create a stable portable system, that works in UEFI and BIOS mode


    1. Current system, seems very stable so far

    The current system contains a live system and an installed system, and both work in UEFI and BIOS mode. The compressed image file

    dd_Ubuntu_14.04.2-UEFI-n-BIOS-10GB.img.xz

    at

    http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/uefi-n-bios/
    So is the file,

    ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso

    compressed within the img.xz file? I don't understand this. Why can't we just download the .iso file?


    is created like this (only a crude description so far)


    A. Create an MSDOS partition table

    Use gparted to get a partition table with the following partitions (or similar if you wish, for example also a casper-rw partition),

    listed by fdisk -lu

    Code:
    Disk /dev/sdd: 15.7 GB, 15693664256 bytes
    64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 14966 cylinders, total 30651688 sectors
    Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    Disk identifier: 0x00063103
    
       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
    /dev/sdd1   *        2048     2623487     1310720    b  W95 FAT32
    /dev/sdd2         2625534    19400703     8387585    5  Extended
    /dev/sdd5         2625536    18350145     7862305   83  Linux
    /dev/sdd6        18352128    19400703      524288   82  Linux swap / Solaris
    listed by parted -l

    Code:
    Model: SanDisk Extreme (scsi)
    Disk /dev/sdd: 15.7GB
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
    Partition Table: msdos
    
    Number  Start   End     Size    Type      File system     Flags
     1      1049kB  1343MB  1342MB  primary   fat32           boot
     2      1344MB  9933MB  8589MB  extended
     5      1344MB  9395MB  8051MB  logical   ext4
     6      9396MB  9933MB  537MB   logical   linux-swap(v1)
    listed by lsblk

    Code:
    NAME        FSTYPE  LABEL               MOUNTPOINT
    sdd                                               
    ├─sdd1      vfat    usb-live            /media/usb-live
    ├─sdd2
    ├─sdd5      ext4    usb-installed       /media/usb-installed
    └─sdd6      swap
    So you would need us to create all of this on the usb using gparted before proceeding?


    B. Use the Startup Disk Creator alias usb-creator-gtk

    Install Ubuntu from the file

    ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso

    into partition 1 of a pendrive with at least 16 GB.


    C. Boot from the pendrive in UEFI mode and install Ubuntu

    Install Ubuntu into partition 5 of the same pendrive. Install the
    bootloader into partition 5 (not into the head of the drive).

    Tweak the boot configuration files

    Code:
    .../usb-live/syslinux/txt.cfg
    .../usb-live/boot/grub/grub.cfg
    .../usb-installed/boot/grub/grub.cfg
    according to the files that you find after installing with mkusb from

    dd_Ubuntu_14.04.2-UEFI-n-BIOS-10GB.img.xz

    to a pendrive.


    D. The pendrive uses the boot system of the Ubuntu installer

    Notice that this system is not like an ordinary installed system. It has an MSDOS partition table (not a GPT). It uses the boot system of the Ubuntu installer instead of what is normally created by installing in UEFI mode.

    This method seems stable when used in a USB pendrive. It is tested in two different laptops, a Toshiba Satellite and an HP Elitebook. The previous installed UEFI and BIOS pendrive system did not survive such adventures.

    It is also tested in an eSATA SSD drive, where it also works when installed according to the description above. But it might not work to flash the pendrive image directly to the SSD drive.



    2. Tweak the system

    A. Decrease wear for a pendrive

    Add the mount option noatime in /etc/fstab

    Code:
    # / was on /dev/sdb3 during installation
    UUID=4c518694-d97c-4910-bb7b-eeb6a6b73874  /  ext4  noatime,errors=remount-ro 0  1
    Do not copy this line. Add 'noatime' to your own line.

    It is also possible to remove the swap partition and the swap entry in /etc/fstab in order to avoid wear due to swapping.


    B. Move swap and grow root partition

    Move the swap partition and grow the root partition to use the whole drive. See this link

    http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/u...ios/GrowIt.pdf


    C. Login and password for the system to download

    The system that is installed from the compressed image file

    http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/u...OS-10GB.img.xz

    has the following user and password

    user: guru
    password: changeme
    It must just be me but don't understand why the 'compressed image file' is used when we only need the .iso file. I am confused that I have to use compressed image file and it is not detailed out on how to extract:

    ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso

    from the image file. So I am immediately deterred from trying this process because of my lack of understanding of the *instructions* you are suggesting to attempt this experiment.

    Regards..
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    Re: Portable installed system that boots in UEFI as well as in BIOS mode

    Quote Originally Posted by ventrical View Post
    So is the file,

    ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso

    compressed within the img.xz file? I don't understand this. Why can't we just download the .iso file?

    So you would need us to create all of this on the usb using gparted before proceeding?
    It does not do all I want it to do directly from the iso file.
    It must just be me but don't understand why the 'compressed image file' is used when we only need the .iso file. I am confused that I have to use compressed image file and it is not detailed out on how to extract:

    ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso

    from the image file. So I am immediately deterred from trying this process because of my lack of understanding of the *instructions* you are suggesting to attempt this experiment.

    Regards..
    Sorry, I have not explained well enough. Either you create it or you use the compressed image file

    A. Create it to learn what I have been doing.

    B. Install from the compressed image file, if you want to get it quickly and just test if/how it works for you. Edit: In this case, simply install with mkusb.
    Last edited by sudodus; April 14th, 2015 at 06:12 AM.

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