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    Is Windows bad?

    Windows may be bad, because it is not opensource, so its code is hidden. But there are thousands of engineers worldwide who knows what is inside Windows. Doesn't this mean it is almost opensource: We endusers may not know what is inside, but there are many eyes watching. Situation seems close to opensource version.

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    Re: Is Windows bad?

    Moved to The Cafe.

    No. Not even close to open source.

    And no, it's not bad. Despite what one loud and self-righteous voice in the FLOSS community may say, there is nothing immoral, unethical or bad about the OS or using it.

    And even if Jono Bacon comes out later and apologizes to that voice for disagreeing, I don't feel like I need to when I disagree.

    Now, if you want to talk about whether Windows is a good OS in terms of performance, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. If it doesn't work for what you want to do, don't use it.

    With regard to the company that produces it, well, I'll keep my opinion to myself.
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    Re: Is Windows bad?

    Windows ftw! But also Linux ftw and OSX ftw!

    *runs and hides*
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    Re: Is Windows bad?

    If windows is bad, them I'm bad because I use it sometimes.

    And, FTR, I heartily agree with QIII.
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    Re: Is Windows bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Irihapeti View Post
    If windows is bad, them I'm bad because I use it sometimes.

    And, FTR, I heartily agree with QIII.
    That.

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    Re: Is Windows bad?

    Agree -- not bad, in either the ethical or the functional sense of the word.

    Maybe there's a bit of discussion about corporations ... like Microsoft, whose greatest good is to make money, and on the other hand FOSS developers, who do it...well, why? Because they need a program and so they make one, or because they want to contribute to the community, or because they are students and crazy about programming. Or just crazy, I don't know!

    But my opinions are personal, and not always logically defensible.

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    Re: Is Windows bad?

    Depends how you look at the situation with getting hardware manufacturers to lock out the competition.

    In that sense of being bad ...... would it be seen in a different light if Linux managed to get manufactures of

    Hardware to change in such a way that it started to lock out the competition ?

    Logical to want a computer to do what we want it to do - the best way it can do it - quickly - efficiently and without

    advertizing bloat ..... maybe things are changing on this one though - money changes the way people think about

    what it is a computer should do best.

    Delivering more links to Music and Games which makes it more of a recreational gadget ......

    The question about bad - not really as it did more than anything else to get the amount of users

    we see today into computing ....... is it turning bad as it dies a death with Ubuntu now taking

    over some of its main functions ........ gaming machine which Linux never really targeted before

    this in itself could change the desktop arena.

    * ( 2 things stop it ...... graphics cards manufacturers supporting Linux and hardware manufacturers making it simple to add Linux )

    Is the cause of these 2 things ethically controlled or has money changed hands to ensure that one firm gets priority - who knows.

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    Re: Is Windows bad?

    the engineers you talk about, probably see only part of the code. furthermore from experience in dealing wiht large corporations - oftenly left arm doesn't know what the right arm is doing in them. so while someone there may screen the code there is no guarantee that nothing is inserted on final screenign (e.g. backdoors, listening devices and such). there is simply no way to knwo as process is not open and transparent.

    a good exampel is for example most governments - though many people see how their funds are used the population usually do not know about each and every purchase. some are even deliberatelly marked as top secret. you would just see how the budget was cut but usually not how it was spent. so this is not opensoruce.

    in contrast to this we had a footbal club and a town that went open and registered publicly each and every cent spent. even bill for pencils... (financial difficulties prompted this and this is how they reassured people and investors that the funds are not missused). both flourished after these measures. as investors got confidence in the club while the town governemnt got support from population as they could see how money was spent. and it was spent for the good of the people.
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    Re: Is Windows bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by mastablasta View Post
    the engineers you talk about, probably see only part of the code. furthermore from experience in dealing wiht large corporations - oftenly left arm doesn't know what the right arm is doing in them. so while someone there may screen the code there is no guarantee that nothing is inserted on final screenign (e.g. backdoors, listening devices and such). there is simply no way to knwo as process is not open and transparent.
    Back in the day, a bit more than 20 years ago, I was part of a relatively small and not formally organized group of people who delved into the "undocumented" areas of MS-DOS. In 1989 I contracted to do an update of a book called "DOS Programmer Reference Manual" and as part of that update, I added a chapter telling much of what I then knew about such undocumented features.

    That led, directly, to my being invited in early 1990 to join a small group that was preparing another book for a different publisher, eventually coming out as "Undocumented DOS" and almost immediately going into the Top 20 list of tehnical books ranked by number of copies sold. The five of us enjoyed handsome returns from our efforts for a year or two in the early 90s.

    Unfortunately a thing called the DMCA got passed into law and made such research illegal in the USA. I'm sure that folk still dig into the mysteries behind the scenes, but making their discoveries known can now lead to severe penalties, so nobody publishes any more or even admits to doing such things. For the record, when Windows took over the world starting in the mid-90s, I quit digging. It simply became too arcane for my tastes! A few of the other folk in the "Undoc DOS" team did continue their efforts for a while, but eventually gave up before the DMCA criminalized their efforts. It just took too much work for so little return...
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    Re: Is Windows bad?

    And to that, I would say that the DMCA is bad. Windows isn't bad, but I'm glad I have access to something better.

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