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    Re: upstart, systemd, Canonical and Debian

    Quote Originally Posted by vasa1 View Post
    Quite possibly. But what about Arch? Anyway, even assuming that Redhat owns/controls GNOME, the point is that individual distros have made choices.
    Well most of the bigger base distros have moved over, I suspect their derivatives will follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mips View Post
    Was not aware of that, I got the list from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption

    Edit: All this talk of Gentoo has now given me an itch to install it again. Sigh and I swore my Gentoo days were over, must resist
    Install it if you have a reason. It's a lot of work just to say you did it, but if nothing else fits your purpose then you can't beat a source-based distro.


    Quote Originally Posted by vasa1 View Post
    Quite possibly. But what about Arch? Anyway, even assuming that Redhat owns/controls GNOME, the point is that individual distros have made choices.
    Some distros have made choices, but the point I'm trying to make is that the list everyone seems to be using is incorrectly claiming adoption in at least one case. If some distro looks at that list without checking its validity, and if users do the same, then that's not really a good thing.

    A binary distro making a choice is OK. Some of the binary distros I've used let you choose a different init system, but historically speaking a distro generally has a focus (desktops, servers, appliances, whatever) and they choose their packages based on what works best for their application. That's perfectly fine. But if they make their decision based on false input, surely you can see how that would be bad?

    A source-based distro, I can't see any good reason to specify any single init system. Or anything else for that matter.
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    Re: upstart, systemd, Canonical and Debian

    Well... I guess we can add Ubuntu to the list:

    http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316

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    Re: upstart, systemd, Canonical and Debian

    Quote Originally Posted by lykwydchykyn View Post
    Well... I guess we can add Ubuntu to the list:

    http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
    Rather inevitable.

    These kind of decisions are big dreals for developers and distro packagers. But, for users, the gains and losses, if any, only show up as new capabilities that might be exposed as a result. Otherwise, it's plumbing buried in the walls.

    (Caveat: If you know enough about you init system to leverage or otherwise mess around with it, I'd say you've left the ranks of mainstream userdom and become a tinkerer. That distinction is relevant because folks like Canonical, et al, are making software for users, not tinkerers.)

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    Re: upstart, systemd, Canonical and Debian

    If anyone is interested in learning a little bit about systemd have a watch of this:

    http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/l..._Donaldson.mp4

    It's called 'The Six Stages of SystemD'!
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    Re: upstart, systemd, Canonical and Debian

    Would love to hear what ian-weiser has to say now
    Last edited by mips; February 14th, 2014 at 08:32 PM.

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    Re: upstart, systemd, Canonical and Debian

    Just to throw another spanner into the works I somehow suspect a similar outcome wrt to MIR vs Wayland. they will punt it but at the end of the day when everyone but Ubuntu (excluding kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu) uses wayland it becomes pretty lonely out there and the logistics of swimming against the stream becomes to much they will switch.

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    Re: upstart, systemd, Canonical and Debian

    I hate the fact that it happened, but we should only blame Debian.

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    Re: upstart, systemd, Canonical and Debian

    Quote Originally Posted by entw View Post
    I hate the fact that it happened, but we should only blame Debian.
    Then you should probably also admonish debian for ubuntus existance, or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mips View Post
    Then you should probably also admonish debian for ubuntus existance, or not?
    Why? I can't see the logic here.

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