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    Lightbulb Ubuntu 13.10 on dell dimension 2350 Problems

    I have never installed any distribution of linux
    With the impending farewell of xp I was looking for a cheap alternitive (like free) to the Microsoft upgrade path. I have been doing computer service since the early 90's but only in the M$ relm so I am really comfortable tweaking Microsoft software.
    I Installed zorin and had graphical problems with it as well
    I just installed ubuntu 13.10 I saw no problems durring install
    The system post's and boots to the default desktop picture only!
    I can change it with R-click
    I created a folder and it is on the desktop.
    I can open a term Ctrl-Alt-T
    I went online and figured out how to launch firefox
    this is what it said
    Code:
    $ firefox
    (process:3095): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
    but the window came up that is how I am posting
    I did this
    Code:
    gksu lshw-gtk
    It said I did not have gksu and how to install it so I did that.

    I really don't know what I am doing but i am patient and can read English (lol)
    I noticed when I closed the Term window that the program that I launched goes bye bye so I asume that is how linux works it is just hidden form the end user.
    here is the data from gksu lshw-gtk
    Code:
    Desktop Computer
    product: Dimension 2350
    vendor: Dell Computer Corporation
    version: A02
    serial: 4HWC231
    width: 32 bits
    capabilities:
        SMBIOS version 2.3,
        DMI version 2.3,
        SMP specification v1.4,
        Symmetric Multi-Processing
    configuration:
        boot: normal
        chassis: desktop
        cpus: 1
        uuid: 44454C4C-4800-1057-8043-B4C04F323331
    I also got this after reading the absolute begginer forum sticky since I fugure it it some kind of video problem since both Zorin and 13.10 had issues.
    Zorin did show a GUI menu but it was incomplete no Max Min Close buttons
    Code:
    lspci | grep VGA
    00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 
    82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
    I know there is a intel video driver I have not tried anything with that
    since it is not working without the driver and when I installed it in Zorin it did not help.
    (or maybe it did not install?)

    I hope some one can help me I will try anything since I am a noob.
    I have no data on this machine other than the ubuntu os so if it toast'ed no biggie
    I have run ubuntu 13.10 from the cd on my normal computer and it is way fast compared to my xp,vist,7 OS's
    So I am at your mercy but I learn fast and would help other's once I learn stuff.
    Last edited by WinXpRefugee; January 18th, 2014 at 06:46 AM. Reason: code tags/microsoft slang

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    Re: 13.10 on dell dimension 2350 Big problems

    did all the stuff in this forum
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183298
    still no go
    --
    Dont know what this means
    --
    "OK, it seems to work fine under Linux 3.8.0-32-generic"?

    "I type this from Xubuntu, and it works! ^_^
    Xubuntu is just as good as Ubuntu, maybe even better for my PC because is lighter."?

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    Re: 13.10 on dell dimension 2350 Big problems

    Hi Bill and welcome to Ubuntu and the forums.

    Though I hope to help with your technical issues, a few words first about the adventure on which you are embarking:

    1. Although various Linux distros are indeed "free" (as in beer) you will find that they all have a learning curve and, not being mainstream and therefore automatically supported by HW vendors, there are times when certain HW needs some tweaking before it runs with certain distros.

    2. I highly encourage you to read this and this. The first explains the differences between Windows and Linux. The second is a great intro to how Linux works.

    3. Although Zorin is derived from Ubuntu, it is not associated with Ubuntu and has its own support site. There are Zorin-specific issues that the members of this site are unlikely to be able to help with. In any case, the Zorin installed base is very small. If you are considering it for its resemblance to the MS world, then as a seasoned user of both Linux and Windows, I should alert you to the fact that the resemblance is superficial and therefore misleading. In the end, Linux is a very different beast from Windows. Papering over those differences with a familiar GUI will only create nasty surprises when you find yourself having to deal with those differences.

    4. If your old HW was running XP, then it is possible that it is not quite powerful enough to run Ubuntu. The 'buntu family comes in four flavours for exactly this reason—to accommodate HW of differing capacities. If you would like a better idea of which flavour would work best on your HW, then please post your HW details to this thread. For old XP machines, I would recommend Xubuntu or Lubuntu depending on just how old they really are.

    On to your technical issues:

    1. I don't understand what you mean by
    ...boots to the default desktop picture only
    ...isn't this what you want? What desktop background were you expecting if not the default?

    2. Rather than gksu lshw-gtk, please do the command-line-only
    Code:
    sudo lshw -sanitize
    The resulting code is easier to copy and paste back into this thread.

    3. In Linux, when you launch a program from a terminal session, the program is created as a child process to the terminal session and will die if you close the parent terminal session. It is not necessary to tie a GUI program to a terminal session, but you would need to launch the program using its GUI launcher and not from a terminal session.

    **EDIT**

    Did not see your second post. It seems that you have resolved many issues with Xubuntu. As per my above note, I suspected that this was the best distro for you in the first place. If you are happy, please mark thread solved. If you would still like to discuss other distros, please provide output of lshw command above.
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    Re: 13.10 on dell dimension 2350 Big problems

    Duckhook,
    Thank you for responding
    I have not solved the problem those are Quotes from another post I dont understand what they mean
    Linux 3.8.0-32-generic
    I dont know what this means but it seems that something was left out of the distribution what ever that means?
    I dont know what Xubuntu is
    You may be right this tower may not have the juice to run the os
    result from sudo lshw -sanitize

    Code:
    computer                  
        description: Desktop Computer
        product: Dimension 2350
        vendor: Dell Computer Corporation
        version: A02
        serial: [REMOVED]
        width: 32 bits
        capabilities: smbios-2.3 dmi-2.3 smp-1.4 smp
        configuration: boot=normal chassis=desktop cpus=1 uuid=[REMOVED]
      *-core
           description: Motherboard
           product: 07W080
           vendor: Dell Computer Corporation
           physical id: 0
           version: A00
           serial: [REMOVED]
         *-firmware
              description: BIOS
              vendor: Mitac International
              physical id: 1
              version: A02
              date: 03/24/2003
              size: 128KiB
              capacity: 192KiB
              capabilities: pci pnp apm upgrade shadowing escd cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy360 int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer int10video acpi usb ls120boot zipboot biosbootspecification
         *-cpu
              description: CPU
              product: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.20GHz
              vendor: Intel Corp.
              physical id: 5
              bus info: cpu@0
              version: 15.2.7
              slot: Socket 478
              size: 2200MHz
              capacity: 2800MHz
              width: 32 bits
              clock: 400MHz
              capabilities: boot fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe pebs bts cid
              configuration: id=0
            *-cache:0
                 description: L1 cache
                 physical id: 9
                 slot: Internal Cache
                 size: 8KiB
                 capacity: 8KiB
                 capabilities: synchronous internal write-back unified
            *-cache:1
                 description: L2 cache
                 physical id: a
                 slot: External Cache
                 size: 512KiB
                 capacity: 512KiB
                 capabilities: synchronous external write-back unified
         *-memory
              description: System Memory
              physical id: 20
              slot: System board or motherboard
              size: 1GiB
              capacity: 2GiB
            *-bank:0
                 description: DIMM SDRAM Synchronous 266 MHz (3.8 ns)
                 product: None
                 vendor: None
                 physical id: 0
                 serial: [REMOVED]
                 slot: A0
                 size: 512MiB
                 width: 64 bits
                 clock: 266MHz (3.8ns)
            *-bank:1
                 description: DIMM SDRAM Synchronous 266 MHz (3.8 ns)
                 product: None
                 vendor: None
                 physical id: 1
                 serial: [REMOVED]
                 slot: A1
                 size: 512MiB
                 width: 64 bits
                 clock: 266MHz (3.8ns)
         *-pci
              description: Host bridge
              product: 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface
              vendor: Intel Corporation
              physical id: 100
              bus info: pci@0000:00:00.0
              version: 03
              width: 32 bits
              clock: 33MHz
              configuration: driver=agpgart-intel
              resources: irq:0 memory:e8000000-ebffffff
            *-display
                 description: VGA compatible controller
                 product: 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 2
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
                 version: 03
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
                 configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
                 resources: irq:16 memory:e0000000-e7ffffff memory:ee000000-ee07ffff
            *-usb:0
                 description: USB controller
                 product: 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1d
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.0
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: uhci bus_master
                 configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
                 resources: irq:16 ioport:d800(size=32)
            *-usb:1
                 description: USB controller
                 product: 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1d.1
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.1
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: uhci bus_master
                 configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
                 resources: irq:19 ioport:d000(size=32)
            *-usb:2
                 description: USB controller
                 product: 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1d.2
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.2
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: uhci bus_master
                 configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
                 resources: irq:18 ioport:d400(size=32)
            *-usb:3
                 description: USB controller
                 product: 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1d.7
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.7
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pm ehci bus_master cap_list
                 configuration: driver=ehci-pci latency=0
                 resources: irq:23 memory:ee080000-ee0803ff
            *-pci
                 description: PCI bridge
                 product: 82801 PCI Bridge
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1e
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1e.0
                 version: 82
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pci normal_decode bus_master
                 resources: ioport:c000(size=4096) memory:ec000000-edffffff memory:40000000-400fffff
               *-communication
                    description: Modem
                    product: BCM4212 v.90 56k modem
                    vendor: Broadcom Corporation
                    physical id: 4
                    bus info: pci@0000:01:04.0
                    version: 02
                    width: 32 bits
                    clock: 33MHz
                    capabilities: pm generic bus_master cap_list
                    configuration: driver=serial latency=32
                    resources: irq:16 memory:ed002000-ed002fff ioport:c000(size=16)
               *-network
                    description: Ethernet interface
                    product: BCM4401 100Base-T
                    vendor: Broadcom Corporation
                    physical id: 9
                    bus info: pci@0000:01:09.0
                    logical name: eth0
                    version: 01
                    serial: [REMOVED]
                    size: 100Mbit/s
                    capacity: 100Mbit/s
                    width: 32 bits
                    clock: 33MHz
                    capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list rom ethernet physical mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
                    configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=b44 driverversion=2.0 duplex=full ip=[REMOVED] latency=32 link=yes multicast=yes port=twisted pair speed=100Mbit/s
                    resources: irq:17 memory:ed000000-ed001fff memory:40000000-40003fff
            *-isa
                 description: ISA bridge
                 product: 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface Bridge
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1f
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.0
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: isa bus_master
                 configuration: driver=lpc_ich latency=0
                 resources: irq:0
            *-ide
                 description: IDE interface
                 product: 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1f.1
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.1
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: ide bus_master
                 configuration: driver=ata_piix latency=0
                 resources: irq:18 ioport:1f0(size=8) ioport:3f6 ioport:170(size=8) ioport:376 ioport:f000(size=16) memory:40100000-401003ff
            *-serial UNCLAIMED
                 description: SMBus
                 product: 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1f.3
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.3
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 configuration: latency=0
                 resources: ioport:500(size=32)
            *-multimedia
                 description: Multimedia audio controller
                 product: 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller
                 vendor: Intel Corporation
                 physical id: 1f.5
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.5
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
                 configuration: driver=snd_intel8x0 latency=0
                 resources: irq:17 ioport:e000(size=256) ioport:e400(size=64) memory:ee081000-ee0811ff memory:ee082000-ee0820ff
         *-scsi:0
              physical id: 0
              logical name: scsi0
              capabilities: emulated
            *-disk
                 description: ATA Disk
                 product: WDC WD800JB-00JJ
                 vendor: Western Digital
                 physical id: 0.0.0
                 bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
                 logical name: /dev/sda
                 version: 05.0
                 serial: [REMOVED]
                 size: 74GiB (80GB)
                 capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
                 configuration: ansiversion=5 sectorsize=512 signature=000b0f0b
               *-volume:0
                    description: Linux filesystem partition
                    vendor: Linux
                    physical id: 1
                    bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,1
                    logical name: /dev/sda1
                    logical name: /boot
                    version: 1.0
                    serial: [REMOVED]
                    size: 243MiB
                    capacity: 243MiB
                    capabilities: primary bootable extended_attributes ext2 initialized
                    configuration: filesystem=ext2 modified=2014-01-17 17:17:11 mount.fstype=ext2 mount.options=rw,relatime,errors=continue,user_xattr,acl state=mounted
               *-volume:1
                    description: Extended partition
                    physical id: 2
                    bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,2
                    logical name: /dev/sda2
                    size: 74GiB
                    capacity: 74GiB
                    capabilities: primary extended partitioned partitioned:extended
                  *-logicalvolume
                       description: Linux LVM Physical Volume partition
                       physical id: 5
                       logical name: /dev/sda5
                       serial: [REMOVED]
                       size: 74GiB
                       capacity: 74GiB
                       capabilities: multi lvm2
         *-scsi:1
              physical id: 2
              logical name: scsi1
              capabilities: emulated
            *-cdrom:0
                 description: DVD-RAM writer
                 product: iHAP222   W
                 vendor: ATAPI
                 physical id: 0.0.0
                 bus info: scsi@1:0.0.0
                 logical name: /dev/cdrom
                 logical name: /dev/sr0
                 version: 7L05
                 capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
                 configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
            *-cdrom:1
                 description: CD-R/CD-RW writer
                 product: CD-RW  CRX216E
                 vendor: SONY
                 physical id: 0.1.0
                 bus info: scsi@1:0.1.0
                 logical name: /dev/sr1
                 version: PD01
                 capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw
                 configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc

    I keep reading posts and I have tried so many things that I don't know up from down
    but it seems to be somthing related to something called
    unity
    Last edited by Wild Man; January 18th, 2014 at 02:41 AM. Reason: added code tags

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    Re: 13.10 on dell dimension 2350 Big problems

    Duckhook,
    in repsonce to
    1. I don't understand what you mean by ...boots to the default desktop picture only



    ...isn't this what you want? What desktop background were you expecting if not the default?

    I mean I get the picture and a mouse cursor nothing else no menu's icons nothing just the background image
    sorry about the confusion and again thank you for helping

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    Re: 13.10 on dell dimension 2350 Big problems

    Bill, welcome to the new world of linux, when you get the right distro for your setup you will probably never go back. Let me suggest that you try one of the Mint flavors of linux
    they are much easier to get going for a noob especially with old hardware. Mint Mate and xfce are both lightweight distros but kde from mint will probably run well on your rig.

    There is not the display problems that you are having with mint!

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    Re: 13.10 on dell dimension 2350 Big problems

    Roger Cook,
    Thanks for your reply.
    I have just looked in to xubuntu and Lubuntu as they were named previously in this post.
    The thing that I think I would like about them is the Ubuntu One seems analogus to android market.
    What I am really looking for is an all purpose distrobution. (if it exists)
    That I could recomend to freinds and family to install on their xp machines, (I will have to install it on my multiboot machine as well as I do computer support as a hobby)
    Something that could handle similar tasks of the XPOSs.

    I have good friend that has a small buisness with 6 machines all running xp. He has "mission critcal software, (some design software and some intuit products) " that were designed for Win98/2K/XP.
    His machines are all Core2Duo's 3.0Ghz with 4GB Ram GefForce 9800 1Gb GTX and 500GB hard drives.

    Is that enough juice to handle Ubuntu 13.10 ?
    I have seen people mention WINE how well does that work?

    I may have to geek out on two distributions to meet the needs of my hobby.

    I also want to set up a RAID NAS if I can get a good enough background in linux
    So that would probably be 3 distributions.

    In short I feel like I am late to the party.
    I want to learn to trouble shoot linux and work with it as adeptly as windows 3.1/3.11/95/98/suckyMe/Vista/7.
    I figure it will be alittle like learning a new language but I want too.

    I apriciate any guidance (or even a beat down if I can learn something LOL)

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    Re: 13.10 on dell dimension 2350 Big problems

    Please use code tags - if you are using New Reply button - highlight text and use the # button in the text box header.

    If using Quick Reply then [code] at the beginning and [/code] at the end.

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    Re: 13.10 on dell dimension 2350 Big problems

    Wild Man
    Thanks for your reply.

    Code:
     I was not sure if I should put the "sudo lshw -sanitize" Output in a code box and did not know how to 
    Ps i hope this is not considered abuse i am just testing it out
    I was thinking Mint 16 Mate

    It says some stuf about 3rd party software.
    download's with and with out since I live in the USA do I have to get with out in order to install.
    I am just going to use it on my personal computer.
    Or does it mater?

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    Re: 13.10 on dell dimension 2350 Big problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_Graves View Post
    ...I get the picture and a mouse cursor nothing else no menu's icons nothing just the background image...
    Ah. Okay. Got it.

    Your HW specs are barely enough to run Ubuntu, and I doubt that you will enjoy the experience. Yours is a Pentium 4 with 1 GB RAM and an integrated Intel video chipset. This is not high-powered HW by today's standards and Ubuntu/Kubuntu is designed to run on multi-core CPUs with minimum 2GB RAM and more powerful graphics.

    Ubuntu comes in different flavours. The two high-powered flavours are Ubuntu and Kubuntu. They use different desktop environments, but both are high-end and resource hungry. The next level down is Xubuntu, which is designed for HW of about your power. The lightest flavour is Lubuntu, which is pretty plain to look at, but runs like stink on even relatively old HW. There are limits. Really ancient dinosaur HW won't run any of these distros because they are all still graphics-based, but if XP will run on it, then chances are that Lubuntu will do just fine.

    Aside from the above four official flavours, there are many other derivative distros that are "based" on Ubuntu, but are actually independent. Bodhi is one such and a very interesting one at that. It takes some getting used to, but once you get the hang of it, is just awesome. Zorin is another. The Mint family is a third. I have all of these running as Virtual Machines on my box, and Mint has proven to be the most ornery and problematic. Its claim to fame is that it already comes with the proprietary drivers for AMD and nVidia chipsets that often cause problems in the Ubuntu flavours, but since your chipset is an Intel, Mint is unlikely going to be of any benefit when it comes to video.

    I would recommend that you download both Xubuntu and Lubuntu in their Live DVD/CD/USB form, burn them and try them out. If you wish, try Mint as well. Linux is about choice, and you may find that you strongly prefer one over another. However, with your equipment, stay away from Ubuntu or Kubuntu.
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