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    Lightbulb ToriOS

    Hi,

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    Meet ToriOS

    About
    Tori (鳥) means Bird in Japanese and a bird is a symbol for freedom which this project is all about.

    Features
    Minimal, Simple, Fast, Small and Gives you a freedom of choice to build your system the way 'you' want and like.

    Technical
    1. ToriOS will be based on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Mini ISO with NON-PAE Kernel by default and will be an LTS system.
    2. There will be only few packages by default and the user has 100% freedom to choose, download and install the package he/she needs, wants and/or desire. ToriOS will work out-of-the-box with the minimal possible working system. It is for the user to decide what system to have based on ToriOS.
    3. Old machines with NON-PAE CPU will not go to trash yet. ToriOS will be the system to help these machines to breathe new life.
    4. RAM Usage will be as minimal as possible - the target is to create a system that is using less RAM than Lubuntu (and other distributions).
    5. When it comes to the default installer. We are interested to go for OBI. However, the founder of the OBI explained that it is not possible to use it at the moment. Ubiquity, as everyone may know, needs more than 256MB RAM at the best cases and sometimes, it requires even more. That will be one of our challenges
    6. ToriOS has no plans for now to use zram-config by default.
    7. More Technical Information can be found here.

    Why another Linux Distribution?
    1. Ubuntu and its official variants, specially Lubuntu, does not support NON-PAE Hardware - Lubuntu 12.04 is not an LTS version.
    2. While everyone can use the Mini ISO (download, install and build a system), some users have some difficulties + after installing the Mini ISO, there will be NO GUI, only CLI. ToriOS will provide a working system with GUI before and after installation.
    3. The installation of toriOS will be much more easier than installing the Mini ISO.
    4. AFAIK, there is no working system having the above features. Yes, you still can build it but that will take time. ToriOS is offering this 'by default' and you just need to install it.
    5. What is so special about ToriOS is its community (team). It is based on team work spirit. They are so friendly, nice and work as one family. No decision no matter what to be taken unless everyone votes and agree (majority). It took 3 days to decide a name for this project because everyone had to vote for that.

    Why Ubuntu 12.04 and not 14.04?
    1. Because 14.04 is not yet released and we are planning to release ToriOS version 1 before releasing Ubuntu 14.04.
    2. Because EOL for Windows XP is less than 3 months ahead and it is good to have a system for users to save their machines and never pay for Microsoft or go for other alternatives. Of course, everyone is free to use whatever system they like but why not offer them something and then, it is for them to decide what path to take?!

    Vision
    Unlike what some may think, this is not to increase the number of Linux Distributions by 1 more system. In fact, this project has a vision to 'decrease' the number of Linux Distributions. HOW?

    We do have a vision to approach other projects and ask them to merge with us. However, we need a working system to show to the world and then ask people to join. But of course, if any project/community would like to join now, that would be great.

    Feedback
    You can email us:
    https://launchpad.net/~torios

    Website
    http://torios.org

    It is not yet ready because we have just finished the registration recently. However, ToriOS team is very active and working hard to get more information on our website.

    We offer emails: @torios.org as well for our team and whoever interested with this project.

    Contacts of ToriOS
    Founder of ToriOS

    ToriOS Team

    Development of ToriOS and Plans

    ToriOS Team on Google+

    ToriOS Team on Facebook

    Coming Soon : Facebook Page, Google+ Page and Twitter for ToriOS

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    Thank you!
    Last edited by amjjawad; February 12th, 2014 at 09:39 PM. Reason: Technical Section - OBI

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    Re: ToriOS

    1- Website is up and running but still under constructions.

    2- Some roles are not yet filled. We need interested and dedicated people for this project. We had someone for the Development but sadly she didn't wish to carry on and decided to focus on her own project.

    The current team members are working hard to move things forward. While we don't have someone in charge for the Artwork Team, Rafeal (Lubuntu Artwork Team Leader) has offered his help. He is so supportive and he is a good friend of mine.

    Anyone is more than welcome to join.

    If you have any question in mind, please ask

    Thank you!

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    Re: ToriOS

    Very interesting!

    This is exactly the kind of OS I need for my 1GB RAM, 2,8 Ghz proc and 80gig Hard drive. Lubuntu doesn't work well on it, due to sound issues. Booting the PC I had no sound then rebooting I got some.. and so on and so forth..

    I just hope you guys don't plan to use the LXDE desktop environment otherwise I'll have to stay away from it, as my hardware doesn't seem do be fully recognized in it.. Not sure why. I've tried Peppermint OS, LXLE, ZorinOS LXDE and the same thing happened in all of them. Either annoying sounds issues again or the keyboard would not set properly regardless of what I tried with any LXDE OS I used. It shouldn't be such a pain for these basics. I am not saying it's no good though, simply that it doesn't work for me.

    And keep the Ubuntu installer! I found that when it's too complicated to install an OS, the beginners will give up. (Linux Puppy is a good exemple at least to me)
    Last edited by Tar_Ni; February 10th, 2014 at 03:33 AM.

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    Re: ToriOS

    Hi and thanks for posting

    Quote Originally Posted by Tar_Ni View Post
    Very interesting!

    This is exactly the kind of OS I need for my 1GB RAM, 2,8 Ghz proc and 80gig Hard drive.
    ToriOS will be designed to work on even less powerful machines than yours, that is our target

    Is your machine a NON-PAE?

    Lubuntu doesn't work well on it, due to sound issues. Booting the PC I had no sound then rebooting I got some.. and so on and so forth..
    So the only problem with Lubuntu is the sound issue?

    I just hope you guys don't plan to use the LXDE desktop environment otherwise I'll have to stay away from it, as my hardware doesn't seem do be fully recognized in it.. Not sure why.
    LXDE is not an option. We're not planning to create a new system with LXDE because there are Lubuntu and others with LXDE already.

    I'm a former team leader for Lubuntu. I know almost all the strengths and the weakness of Lubuntu. LXDE has some bugs that aren't yet fixed which I personally don't like and would like to stay away from. Not to mention, LXDE is not the lightest DE

    I've tried Peppermint OS, LXLE, ZorinOS LXDE and the same thing happened in all of them. Either annoying sounds issues again or the keyboard would not set properly regardless of what I tried with any LXDE OS I used. It shouldn't be such a pain for these basics. I am not saying it's no good though, simply that it doesn't work for me.
    Yes, I totally understand what you mean. For me, Lubuntu worked the best to my needs but then some bugs that aren't fixed and while all my machines are PAE and I have no problem with that, there are many with NON-PAE machines and I'd like to draw a smile on their face. I think it is a mistake to leave them without support while someone can do something.

    And keep the Ubuntu installer! I found that when it's too complicated to install an OS, the beginners will give up. (Linux Puppy is a good exemple at least to me)
    Yes, I know what you mean. This is one of the challenges we have. OBI Founder has replied. We need to study our options carefully.

    Thank you again for your post

    Feel free to join our team on Launchpad if you're interested to help!

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    Re: ToriOS

    Was just looking over your discussions on WM/DE on launchpad. I'm not sure the thing you're looking for exists. You don't want LXDE or XFCE or any of their components, but you want something aimed at users of XP that looks nice. Hrm...

    I've spent a lot of time with lightweight distros and piecing together desktop environments from lightweight components over the years. There's a reason why LXDE was created; piecing together a basic DE is easy, but making it cohesive and user-friendly is another thing. Making it all that, and then making it not look like 1998 warmed over is another feat yet.

    I'd suggest looking at some of these distros and how they approach the desktop stack:

    - Vector Linux Light
    - Porteus
    - Puppy Linux Wary
    - Tinycore CorePlus
    - Slitaz

    Also, rather than trimming down the desktop environment, you might consider using a lighter X server like TinyX, XVesa, or XFBdev. X11 itself is a beast on 10+ yr-old systems, no matter what you run in it.

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    Re: ToriOS

    Hello and thanks for posting

    Quote Originally Posted by lykwydchykyn View Post
    Was just looking over your discussions on WM/DE on launchpad. I'm not sure the thing you're looking for exists. You don't want LXDE or XFCE or any of their components, but you want something aimed at users of XP that looks nice. Hrm...
    Oh, but just to make sure we both at the same page, the aim is not really to have something nice as XFCE or LXDE (yes, some think it is beautiful and like it while others don't - I'm still contributing to LXDE project anyway) but rather something 'Lightweight' or 'Very Lightweight'

    One of ToriOS member did a test on Debain and this is what he sent me:

    I'm a bit in hurry, just some short sentences. Xfwm4 was a bad idea, with all the things a user needs (menu, something to draw the desktop) the memory usage was quickly around 60 MB, and it wasn't even 'fullfeatured'.
    The best result I could achieve was E17, with 47 MB RAM usage. Conditions were: no display manager (like LightDM), no nm-applet, but with audio control and stuff. I used Debian testing for rapid prototyping.
    Quote Originally Posted by lykwydchykyn View Post
    I've spent a lot of time with lightweight distros and piecing together desktop environments from lightweight components over the years. There's a reason why LXDE was created; piecing together a basic DE is easy, but making it cohesive and user-friendly is another thing. Making it all that, and then making it not look like 1998 warmed over is another feat yet.
    It is good to know someone who has experience with lightweight DEs

    As started on my previous post, I was one of the most active members of Lubuntu Community but had to seek a different challenge when the direction of the project was moving on a path that I couldn't carry on with.

    You're right, each task is a challenge. We know that it is not going to be easy at all. We're looking now for a skilled developers to help us.

    I'd suggest looking at some of these distros and how they approach the desktop stack:

    - Vector Linux Light
    - Porteus
    - Puppy Linux Wary
    - Tinycore CorePlus
    - Slitaz
    I'm a huge fan of SliTaz. Yet, ToriOS supposed to be different in the way it will offer the packages and being based on Ubuntu (or Debian).

    The idea is to offer a working system and give the user all the freedom to build that system the way he/she wants. Yes, we know that being going that path, ToriOS won't be for everyone but for those with some knowledge who can tweak the system to their needs. However, there are two skilled members who are good with Wiki and Documentations and I trust their experience and skills and I am sure they can make it as easy as possible even for someone who just started to use Linux. I am not worried much about that because I trust my team's abilities.

    Also, rather than trimming down the desktop environment, you might consider using a lighter X server like TinyX, XVesa, or XFBdev. X11 itself is a beast on 10+ yr-old systems, no matter what you run in it.
    This seems a very nice and new idea. Do you have any experience with other display servers? this is something I haven't thought about it to be honest

    Thanks a lot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by amjjawad View Post
    I'm a huge fan of SliTaz. Yet, ToriOS supposed to be different in the way it will offer the packages and being based on Ubuntu (or Debian).
    I just posted those as examples of systems that have lighter-than-lxde desktops (though I think slitaz uses bits from LXDE). Vector Linux Lite, for example, uses IceWM with (if memory serves) pcmanfm doing the desktop. I ran it for a while on a celeron 800MHz. If you can acheive your goals with e17, though, that's probably your best bet for balancing speed, looks, and friendliness.

    The idea is to offer a working system and give the user all the freedom to build that system the way he/she wants. Yes, we know that being going that path, ToriOS won't be for everyone but for those with some knowledge who can tweak the system to their needs. However, there are two skilled members who are good with Wiki and Documentations and I trust their experience and skills and I am sure they can make it as easy as possible even for someone who just started to use Linux. I am not worried much about that because I trust my team's abilities.
    Is it for experienced users or new users? Is the default DE just a throwaway environment for install, or do you expect that users will stick with it?
    This seems a very nice and new idea. Do you have any experience with other display servers? this is something I haven't thought about it to be honest
    I have experience trying and failing to make them run on Debian-based distros. Many small/lightweight distros use these, though, like TinyCore, DamnsmallLinux, etc. It makes things lighter but of course limits things like resolution, color depth, GPU features, etc. Such a move would be a decisive step away from "general purpose distro" towards "super-lightweight distro", which is good and bad.

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    Re: ToriOS

    Quote Originally Posted by lykwydchykyn View Post
    I just posted those as examples of systems that have lighter-than-lxde desktops (though I think slitaz uses bits from LXDE). Vector Linux Lite, for example, uses IceWM with (if memory serves) pcmanfm doing the desktop. I ran it for a while on a celeron 800MHz. If you can acheive your goals with e17, though, that's probably your best bet for balancing speed, looks, and friendliness.
    How about this?

    Is it for experienced users or new users?
    Without good documentation, it won't be helpful for very fresh and new users to Linux. I have two members on my team and I'm the 3rd who can make life very easy for newcomers.

    Is the default DE just a throwaway environment for install, or do you expect that users will stick with it?
    Kind of throwaway yes because the concept of this system is to give the user the choice and freedom to choose what he/she likes and wants.

    However, day after day, I am kind of thinking to maybe include two default DE/WM but only if the time allows that.

    Also, see this

    I have experience trying and failing to make them run on Debian-based distros.
    It appears that Debian is lighter than Ubuntu Mini ISO as per our tests so far.


    Many small/lightweight distros use these, though, like TinyCore, DamnsmallLinux, etc. It makes things lighter but of course limits things like resolution, color depth, GPU features, etc. Such a move would be a decisive step away from "general purpose distro" towards "super-lightweight distro", which is good and bad.
    Yes. I know what you mean. This is one of the challenges me and my team will face but if truth to be told, this is not our highest priority. If we could draw a smile on someone with Non-PAE machine that could go back to life again, that is our highest priority
    We can then worry about being user friendly system or not.

    As I explained above, I do have lots of experience with Wiki and Documentation and I have people who can help with this so with great steps, the users will have options to tweak this system if his/her machine can handle it.

    Let's see how things will go
    I'm managing this project as per Priorities and Votes. No decisions to be made unless we all vote. Also, we arrange our tasks as per priority - example

    Thanks for posting

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    Thumbs up ToriOS Logo - Final Vote

    Please help ToriOS team to choose between two designs for the official logo

    Which one you like the most?

    logo2.png

    Or

    Logo Playing2.png

    Tip: Tori () means Bird in Japanese

    Poll is here

    Thank you so much!
    Last edited by amjjawad; February 13th, 2014 at 03:26 PM. Reason: adding a poll

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    Quote Originally Posted by amjjawad View Post
    How about this?
    JWM is probably one of the lightest. If light & fast is the priority and the environment isn't intended for long-term use, it would be a good choice.

    Without good documentation, it won't be helpful for very fresh and new users to Linux. I have two members on my team and I'm the 3rd who can make life very easy for newcomers.


    Kind of throwaway yes because the concept of this system is to give the user the choice and freedom to choose what he/she likes and wants.
    Just my opinion, but it seems like you really want to decide one way or the other. Otherwise you'll waste a lot of time trying to make a minimal environment useful and user-friendly.

    However, day after day, I am kind of thinking to maybe include two default DE/WM but only if the time allows that.
    Here's a brainstorm, but howabout a piece of software that analyzes the CPU, RAM, and Video hardware and recommends a choice of DE's to the user? E.G., the program detects a Pentium 4 with 1 GB of RAM and intel hardware, so it offers LXDE or enlightenment as choices (with screenshots and some bullet points, of course).

    Also, see this
    By developing your own WM, do you actually mean WM or DE? Seems like the world has enough window managers as it is. And what with X11 on the way out, it doesn't seem sensible to start developing a new one. Makes more sense to build up some kind of User Experience from existing parts and solidify it as the needs really gel (sort of like what's happening with Unity).
    It appears that Debian is lighter than Ubuntu Mini ISO as per our tests so far.
    That's a whole other can of worms, though I'm not surprised.


    Yes. I know what you mean. This is one of the challenges me and my team will face but if truth to be told, this is not our highest priority. If we could draw a smile on someone with Non-PAE machine that could go back to life again, that is our highest priority
    We can then worry about being user friendly system or not.

    As I explained above, I do have lots of experience with Wiki and Documentation and I have people who can help with this so with great steps, the users will have options to tweak this system if his/her machine can handle it.

    Let's see how things will go
    I'm managing this project as per Priorities and Votes. No decisions to be made unless we all vote. Also, we arrange our tasks as per priority - example

    Thanks for posting
    Well, I sincerely wish you luck!

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