Upstart or Systemd

**seanmoir99** · December 21st, 2013

I just want to know what the ups and downs of both are, post away

**ian-weisser** · December 21st, 2013

Both are good.
Both are big improvements over sysvinit.
Both are moderately well documented.
Both development teams have good visions, good leadership, and great talent.
Both dev teams are easy to contact, and quick to respond.
Users won't notice the difference.

Beyond that, I think your question should be tighter.
You are inviting another useless, tedious A vs B flamewar.

**sffvba[e0rt** · December 21st, 2013

Originally Posted by ian-weisser

You are inviting another useless, tedious A vs B flamewar.

This is likely with a thread like this... but we are here to monitor the situation and ensure that doesn't happen

**grahammechanical** · December 21st, 2013

Upstart originated with Ubuntu. Systemd did not originate with Ubuntu. That alone is enough reason for some people to spit hate at Ubuntu. Perhaps it is the reason the OP started this thread. In this particular case it seems that Upstart got out of the gate first. It being in Ubuntu 6.10. Whereas, systemd is recorded as being released 30 March 2010. So, who is fragmenting the ecosystem now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstart

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd

See this thread on how to bring in Ubuntu not using systemd as a means of negative publicity for Ubuntu.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2194822

**3rdalbum** · December 22nd, 2013

Originally Posted by grahammechanical

Upstart originated with Ubuntu. Systemd did not originate with Ubuntu. That alone is enough reason for some people to spit hate at Ubuntu. Perhaps it is the reason the OP started this thread. In this particular case it seems that Upstart got out of the gate first. It being in Ubuntu 6.10. Whereas, systemd is recorded as being released 30 March 2010. So, who is fragmenting the ecosystem now?

Hi Graham, I've been over that with the OP in another thread, and now I think he really wants to know the differences between Upstart and Systemd. I tried to explain, but the technical workings of Init systems are not my specialty.

**ian-weisser** · December 22nd, 2013

Originally Posted by 3rdalbum

I've been over that with the OP in another thread, and now I think he really wants to know the differences between Upstart and Systemd.

Since we don't know if he's asking about commands, config files, features, signals, etc...he might be better served to read the documentation until he know what he wants to ask. "Tell me the difference" is understandable in someone learning about it, but just way too vague to answer succinctly.

**lykwydchykyn** · December 22nd, 2013

Since Debian is currently debating which to use, the debian wiki contains some good "debate pages" detailing the pros and cons of each system. See:

https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem

**SantaFe** · December 22nd, 2013

I'm confused, I'm running Xubuntu 13.10 and according to Synaptic, I've got both installed. Wonder which one's in control?

**ian-weisser** · December 23rd, 2013

According to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel.../msg01356.html , the systemd package in Ubuntu includes the dbus libraries but not init. So Upstart is in control.