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    Re: Linux going IN THE WRONG DIRECTION?

    Quote Originally Posted by Resistent View Post
    Hi Varuendra,

    The donate button "pay by paypal" on http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/questions
    gives me back: "You are not authorized to access this page."

    Does not matter if loggin SSO or not. So is donation deativated?

    I wanted to donate now..
    You might have followed a wrong link or in a wrong way. If you proceed to download an ISO from ubuntu.com using their default way (that is, clicking the big orange button of the desired version for downloading it), it leads to the page whose full URL is something like this -
    http://www.ubuntu.com/download/deskt...64&release=lts

    Note the page is same as you linked, but the URL is different. I think some cookies in the background also play a role in correct function of the button(s) on this page.

    If you click the PayPal button here, it leads to PayPal's payment gateway correctly.

    PS:
    I am in no way associated with Canonical, neither do I represent the Forum or community in any way. I am just answering a question you specifically directed at me.
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    Re: Ubuntu going in the wrong direction?

    Quote Originally Posted by goodbye-windows(tm) View Post
    Hi All,

    What's happened to linux lately?? I used to support linux totally, but lately I find myself wondering if I should just go back to windoze like everyone else.

    In the new 13.10, I see links to ubuntu one, amazon!!!!(WHAT the frick??) and to sign in to this forum now, I must also associate my account with other services that I don't need and don't want.....
    If you don't like Ubuntu, change to another Linux distro. It's not like you are not spoilt for choice. I do have some sympathy with your views vis-a-vis, the growing commercialisation of the Ubuntu environment. However, I still use Ubuntu because of its out of the box functionality. I immediately got rid of Unity and downloaded Classic Gnome Shell. With the addittion of a few other tweaks like the up/down/refresh arrows in Nautilus plus a script to allow me to create launchers on the desktop and elsewhere, I am back to having a system as user friendly as Ubuntu 10.04, but with the much greater reliability and stability of 12.04. So, for me, its all good. However, as I said, if you don't like it go with Mint/Cinnamon. Why Unity and a bit of commercialisation in Ubuntu should drive you completely away from any and all linux distros and back to MS Windows is beyond me, to be honest. It sounds like you can't have liked Linux much in the first place if that's all it took and you are just using Ubuntu Unity as an excuse to go back to MS Windows.
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    Exclamation Re: Linux going IN THE WRONG DIRECTION?

    Quote Originally Posted by varunendra View Post
    You might have followed a wrong link or in a wrong way. If you proceed to download an ISO from ubuntu.com using their default way (that is, clicking the big orange button of the desired version for downloading it), it leads to the page whose full URL is something like this -
    http://www.ubuntu.com/download/deskt...64&release=lts

    Note the page is same as you linked, but the URL is different. I think some cookies in the background also play a role in correct function of the button(s) on this page.

    If you click the PayPal button here, it leads to PayPal's payment gateway correctly.

    PS:
    I am in no way associated with Canonical, neither do I represent the Forum or community in any way. I am just answering a question you specifically directed at me.
    Yes. I found on goole this:
    http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/questions
    But clicking through the website, I have this
    http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/questions?distro=desktop&bits=64&release=lts

    that#s the difference.
    THX for your answers

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    Re: Ubuntu going in the wrong direction?

    If Ubuntu went in the wrong direction?.. At least I'm sure they would do it in uglier colors than other OSes/distros.. so everyone would see it coming. >.
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    Re: Ubuntu going in the wrong direction?

    Quote Originally Posted by |{urse View Post
    If Ubuntu went in the wrong direction?.. At least I'm sure they would do it in uglier colors than other OSes/distros.. so everyone would see it coming. >.


    But take a look at http://design.ubuntu.com/:

    Freedom

    Ubuntu celebrates freedom. Freedom to choose, to change, to participate.
    And
    Colour is an effective, powerful and instantly recognisable medium for visual communications. To convey the brand personality and brand values, there is a sophisticated colour palette.

    We have introduced a palette which includes both a fresh, lively orange, and a rich, mature aubergine. The use of aubergine indicates commercial involvement, while orange is a signal of community engagement.

    These colours are used widely in the brand communications, to convey the precise, reliable and free personality.

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    Re: Ubuntu going in the wrong direction?

    I still think ubuntu is headed in the wrong direction, but I can only hope that the problem is corrected. I did find that the changes needed to correct the problem(s) are documented and that the end user is informed of the privacy violations that are turned on by default.

    I hope these 'changes' do not find their way into Xubuntu however.... 'Nuff said.

    And, I hope that more people will contribute time and $$ to the effort to make linux viable. If other OS vendors improve their products due to the linux threat, then the all computer users benefit-regardless whether they use linux or not::>

    Thanks to all who commented and provided information and enlightenment.

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    Re: Linux going IN THE WRONG DIRECTION?

    WHERE IN BLAZES IS THE STRUCTURED APPLICATION-BY-CATEGORY menu in UBUNTU's UNITY desktop? I cannot find it or turn it on, so I just presume it does not exist any longer.


    QIII, I hope you will convey to Canonical developers my extreme displeasure with the UNITY desktop's omission of the menu structure available in Cinnamon, Mate, KDE, LXDE, XFCE, and every other SENSIBLE desktop. I have finally realized that Canonical hired other-world, new-age BOZOS as advisors with respect to UNITY.

    Here's what I, a computer professional for nearly 50 years, want in my desktop:

    1. EASY ACCESS to a point and click menu of applications structured by category, as in Cinnamon.
    2. Menus for controlling an indivicual Application at the top bar of the application's window, NOT at the top left of the whole screen.
    3. Exit, Full-screen, minimize icons at the UPPER RIGHT of the application window, right where the most popular user interface in the world has had them for NEARLY 30 YEARS
    4. The main system menu item named "Applications" in the CONTEXT MENU (available by clicking the right mouse button).
    5. A big Clock and Calendar and Newsfeed and to-do list on the desktop that I can turn on or off at will.
    5. A complaint and suggestion area JUST FOR UNITY at the AskUbuntu forum, attached to a hotline at the Canonical president's desk so HE WILL GET A CLUE.

    Canonical's UNITY advisers have their heads up their bottoms and have NO CLUE what users want because they took away the MOST VALUABLE ITEM on the desktop - the application menu.

    Everything else is gravy. I have no problem with Unity's klunky cumbersome confusing search paradigm, so long as I get my structured menu whenever I like it.

    As for UNITY complaints, you might say people have discussed it ad nauseum. Want to know why? BECAUSE CANONICAL IGNORES USER NEEDS. I feel as though someone has a political agenda with that God-awful function hiding UNITY abortion that allegedly lets us search for applications, as if we know what name they go by. NO, this does NOT have to do with lack of familiarity with the interface. If an application menu-by-category exists anywhere in UNITY, I have yet to find it, and for that reason I HATE UNITY. It is the main reason people run SCREAMING for Linux Mint and the other flavors of UBUNTU that have an actual application menu the user can find.

    As for the large icons in the Launch Bar at the left edge, that's a good idea, but it gets crowded too easily, and does not provide enough room for favorite apps. It would be better strung along the bottom of the screen with smaller icons, SO Unity should allow the user to drag it there, and the icons should automatically resize to become smaller to accommodate more apps pinned to the launch area.

    I like the search everywhere paradigm of UNITY, but I don't like it as a replacement for the application menu by category. If I had to choose one or the other, I'd take the structured menu (the meat of my complaint here is that canonical eliminated that choice, or did not make it apparent that I have a choice. Also, the search should recommend apps that aren't installed, and if the user clicks on one, Unity should ask "This app will do blah blah and take X MEG of disk space, and mess up the doodah counter. Do you really want to install this?"

    Yeah, I messed up a lot of stuff by installing KDE because I hated Unity so bad.

    And I just installed Cinnamon (yay, the new NEMO seems to work fine with Unity, and I like it better than Nautilus) for the same reason in UBUNTU 13.10.


    Until Canonical fixes Unity as I suggested above, I say the UBUNTU FLAVOR OF LINUX HAS HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

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    Re: Ubuntu going in the wrong direction?

    a hotline at the Canonical president's desk so HE WILL GET A CLUE.
    Canonical doesn't list having a President on their web page, but the CEO is a woman.
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    Re: Linux going IN THE WRONG DIRECTION?

    Quote Originally Posted by bobhurt View Post
    QIII, I hope you will convey to Canonical developers my extreme displeasure ...
    If I ever find myself in the company of an employee of Canonical Ltd, I'll let them know you are displeased. Since I doubt that will ever happen, I must ask you to excuse me.
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    Re: Linux going IN THE WRONG DIRECTION?

    Quote Originally Posted by bobhurt View Post
    WHERE IN BLAZES.... UBUNTU FLAVOR OF LINUX HAS HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
    Install a different DE and don't use Unity, problem solved!

    Additional step of installing a different DE is a problem? Use other flavours of Ubuntu, e.g. Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubunt, a whole different distro/spinoff .... in short, anything but Ubuntu default, problem solved again !

    Can't stand existence of something like Unity? Reject it by not even mentioning its name. No software can survive which doesn't have a substantial user base. Wow, problem solved again !!

    The best way to nourish something in the software world is using and contributing to it.
    The best way to kill something in the software world is to simply ignore and stay away from it.

    Why waste energy and time on something you don't like?
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