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    Dell Inspiron 8600, non-PAE

    Hello,

    Due to playing aka learning, blew up previous install and will reinstall the OS.

    System: Dell Inspiron 8600, Pentium M 1.4mhz, 2gb RAM with GeForce Go5200 32mb video card.
    Usage: 3 nephews ages 6-9. Light, mainly to browse internet, youtube, learning games, homework, etc.

    I would think a distro with LTS is better. Lubuntu 12.04 expired last month.

    So my questions are:
    1- Lubuntu 12.04, security updates will be provided until 2017. What will not be covered? Apps such as internet browsers, games, etc?
    2- What is the difference between Ubuntu 12.04 with a light desktop manager (xfce/lxde) vs Lubuntu 12.04?
    3- What would you recommend?

    Added: Need to stick with 12.04 release due to NON-PAE CPU (read this). Found out the hard way.
    Last edited by shabuboy; November 15th, 2013 at 08:05 AM.

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    Re: Ubuntu 12.04 with Xfce or Lxde vs Lubuntu

    Lubuntu 12.04 is NOT an LTS.
    Quote Originally Posted by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
    ubuntu 12.04 is not an LTS (5 years support), but a standard release that is supported for 18 months (if you would like to change this please feel free to contact the developers to offer assistance in this area).
    I think you should stick with Ubuntu, perhaps Xubuntu (Xfce). The difference is in the default apps, Desktop interface and the consumption of resources.

    What you can do?
    Install Ubuntu 12.04
    http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/how-t...n-non-pae.html

    Then Install Xfce, so you have both Unity, and Xfce. You can choose which one you want from Login box (right-hand top gear icon will help you choose which).

    To install just Xfce check out the Screenshots to know the difference
    Code:
    sudo apt-get install xfce4
    Or

    Install the whole Xubuntu-desktop (this comes with all the default applications), you might end up using two similar applications one from Ubuntu and one from Xubuntu. For instance, you will have two file-browsers, Nautilus from Ubuntu and Thunar from Xubuntu.

    Code:
    sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
    Good Luck
    "Evolution is Nature's way of issuing upgrades."


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    Re: Ubuntu 12.04 with Xfce or Lxde vs Lubuntu

    Quote Originally Posted by shabuboy View Post
    Need to stick with 12.04 release due to NON-PAE CPU (read this). Found out the hard way.
    Your hard way was not the right way. Please read about PAE here.

    X/Lubuntu is a better choice than Ubuntu for old hardware.
    About problems due to upgrading
    Bringing old hardware back to life.
    Please visit Quick Links -> Unanswered Posts

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    Re: Dell Inspiron 8600, non-PAE

    Yes I tried the mini.iso and it hangs right after the proxy window. Empty big pink screen with a white bar at bottom, 1hr later no changes.

    But still, can someone tell me in plain English what is the worst case scenario if I stay with Lubuntu 12.04 which support expired last Month? The more I read about LTS, the more confuse I get.


    BTW: I have tried Puppy, kept crashing under normal usage after install. Mint 13 cinnamon and xfce crashed during install. Ubuntu got the PAE CPU error.

    The only ones that have worked, xubuntu and lubuntu 12.04. Last time installed lubuntu, installed ubuntu-desktop, removed lubuntu, added xfce. But kept playing with it and trying different things until broke it. Now, after all the experiences feel I can do the final install before passing it to my nephews. Except for the questions on the first post.
    Last edited by shabuboy; November 15th, 2013 at 06:23 PM.

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    Re: Dell Inspiron 8600, non-PAE

    An unsupported version is a security breach. When a bug is found there will not be any fixes for it, so people might steal sensitive information, for example.

    How does a fresh install of Bodhi or Xubuntu 12.04 work?
    About problems due to upgrading
    Bringing old hardware back to life.
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    Re: Dell Inspiron 8600, non-PAE

    Got it, not sure if that is a major concern, since the kids will be using it. Don't believe they have bank, investment or email accts. But will check with their Momma. hmmm wonder if she will be using it... Anyhow, I just discovered ubuntu-edu-primary package (aka Edubuntu), it rocks!!! Perfect for what she wanted. Installed on Lubuntu 12.04.

    Yeah, will try those two next. Thank you for the suggestions!

    To be continue...
    Last edited by shabuboy; November 15th, 2013 at 07:21 PM.

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    Re: Dell Inspiron 8600, non-PAE

    Well, Bodhi install ran fine. It even found the wireless drivers.
    Anyhow, seems to be working fine, not too crazy about the Enlightenment window manager though... This will go to a non-tech Mom and kids who are used to drag/drop. Creating simple desktop items is confusing. Nice to the eyes though.
    Still testing it...

    Haven't try Xubuntu. But I am running out of time.

    One more thing... Beside the obvious, what is the main difference between:
    Ubuntu 12.04 + xfce4 (bloated, unity, 5 yr LTS)
    vs
    Xubuntu 12.04 (xfce4, dups apps, 3 yr LTS)

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    Re: Dell Inspiron 8600, non-PAE

    Ubuntu 12.04 LTS will be supported in a long time.
    Try using Ubuntu instead of Lubuntu, but you can install Lxde for your own flavor. There are no big differences.

    Considering your hardware, you can try some lightweight desktop environments such as Xface.
    Don't worry about the security updates, man.
    Few hackers would like to pay their attention on Linux, and in most cases the updates are for new features.
    I was using 10.04 three weeks ago on my old laptop.

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    Re: Dell Inspiron 8600, non-PAE

    Quote Originally Posted by yc.chenyi View Post
    Don't worry about the security updates, man.
    Few hackers would like to pay their attention on Linux, and in most cases the updates are for new features.
    I was using 10.04 three weeks ago on my old laptop.
    What you do on your own computer is personal business, but please don't encourage others to neglect security.
    About problems due to upgrading
    Bringing old hardware back to life.
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    Re: Dell Inspiron 8600, non-PAE

    Quote Originally Posted by shabuboy View Post
    Beside the obvious, what is the main difference between:
    Ubuntu 12.04 + xfce4 (bloated, unity, 5 yr LTS)
    vs
    Xubuntu 12.04 (xfce4, dups apps, 3 yr LTS)
    The first combination would only be supported for three years on the XFCE parts meaning that the system as a whole has only the same three years.

    Which desktop environment you prefer is mostly a matter of taste (and the capabilities of the hardware in question).
    About problems due to upgrading
    Bringing old hardware back to life.
    Please visit Quick Links -> Unanswered Posts

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