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    X or XMir as default in Trusty?

    Hello folks,

    are there any news yet about X or XMir being default in 14.04?
    Given that XMir is not standard in 13.10, there might be some changes about that in Trusty as well?
    Especially about removing the X fallback option?

    Thanks

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    Re: X or XMir as default in Trusty?

    I would suggest that we wait until we see what comes out of UDS. I have noiticed only 3 session that might have something to say about Mir and 14.04.

    Wednesday
    General X.org plans fot T
    Planning hardware enablement strategy for 14.04
    Thursday
    Release process review and discussion.

    I am not surprised that there is little being said directly about Mir. To start with the intention is for Mir and Unity 8 to be in 14.10 and not 14.04. Secondly, Mir and Unity 8 are now in Ubuntu Touch for the Phone and there now needs to be a push for Ubuntu touch for the tablet. Third, Convergence is the big target. The time to get back to MIr will be in the 14.10 development cycle.

    There will be talk during UDS of getting Touch apps running under Unity 7. Some of us already have Ubuntu Web Browser running under Unity 7 on Trusty and the software centre has a download of Unity 8 shell. That brings in some of the Touch apps. They are very limited in what they can do on the desktop but this is where I see the effort being directed up the release of 14.04 and beyond with Mir being scheduled for 14.10.

    As an side, I have been seeing Wayland libraries being upgraded. I do not see this as keeping the options open but more like being friendly to the neighbours.

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    Re: X or XMir as default in Trusty?

    update: They have decided to stick with the good old x and unity 7 for 14.04.

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    Re: X or XMir as default in Trusty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bibek View Post
    update: They have decided to stick with the good old x and unity 7 for 14.04.
    +1!

    That seems to be a wise decision.

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    Re: X or XMir as default in Trusty?

    Last edited by philinux; November 22nd, 2013 at 01:16 PM. Reason: link

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    Re: X or XMir as default in Trusty?

    If you are running Trusty (and we should be) then try running this command

    Code:
    grep -i xmir /var/log/Xorg.0.log
    I get

    [ 17.540] (WW) "xmir" is not to be loaded by default. Skipping.
    The trusty software centre has unity-system-compositor in it and I have installed it but it does not load the xmir module, even when unity-system-compositor is run as a command. Which is what software centre instructs to do. So, I think that the code is there in Ubuntu but it is switched off. And we know from our own testing that there are issues with proprietary videos drivers

    Mir and Unity 8 are running on the phone. And Unity 8 shell is in the software centre and I am sure that I heard something about there being an option in 14.04 of bringing in Unity 8 and Mir.

    We get what we are given. Let us wait and see what we get.

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    Re: X or XMir as default in Trusty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bibek View Post
    update: They have decided to stick with the good old x and unity 7 for 14.04.
    Fantastic!
    I was startting to panic (yes, this early) about my RAT5 mouse, which currently needs an edited xorg.conf to work properly.

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    Re: X or XMir as default in Trusty?

    Does this mean that we can now expect that Mir will be removed from Trusty repos and that the Devel repos will diverge and forge on with Mir and Unity 8 eventually turning into U***** (14.10) when Trusty goes mainline?

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    Re: X or XMir as default in Trusty?

    The last time I checked my Trusty install with devel repositories updates were coming from four main repositories that were either Saucy or Trusty repositories. Without any evidence I think that things will remain this way until close to Trusty release date at which point the code base will start to divulge. I am good at guessing but not so good at guessing correctly.

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    Re: X or XMir as default in Trusty?

    As far as I know there is resistance to Mir out there, especially with 'other' developers and hardware manufacturers. Only Canonical is in favor of Mir, while most of them out there have their bets on wayland. Intel, for one, has refused to work with Mir.
    If everyone sticks to their guns, we may end up with a situation where application developers may be forced to code for both Mir and Wayland to support their software. Redhat had committed itself to wayland and so have other distros, in a way.

    Will application developers commit to work with both Mir and Wayland?
    Will Hardware manufacturers write drivers for both Wayland and Mir?

    Interesting times ahead for Linux world.

    Nevermind if a bit off-topic.

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