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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    One of the most troublesome things I've encountered is the inability to backup and restore a total "out-of-box" configuration, or a custom config

    It used to be this easy:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...0#post11968600

    Now I find myself sometimes having to actually purge entire packages and sometimes even having to reinstall the OS altogether if i mess up

    Any thoughts?

    What helped me in a lot of cases is that just after install I would create another aternate user with privlidges. If lighdm or gdm were still working (and the desktop I was using was borked) I could login to that user and have a pristine config. It's sort of like a mini back-up system .. but perhaps this may not apply to the case in point now , this far into the cycle.
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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    I see the new 'gnome-panel' is in Trusty-proposed so give me a bit to test thoroughly. It'd be easier if the daily images weren't borked ATM.

    Just did a fresh install here of yesterdays i386 iso and put gnome-flashback-compiz. Works great!
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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by cariboo907 View Post
    Keep the faith zika, we've only got a week and a few days, before the toolchain for the next version is uploaded.
    I've never even scratched my faith, let alone lost it...
    What about „devel“ branch?

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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by zika View Post
    I've never even scratched my faith, let alone lost it...
    What about „devel“ branch?
    As far as a devel branch is concerned, I wish

    14.10 should be the start of some pretty amazing development on the desktop, with Mir and Unity 8, for those that prefer the old style Windows type desktop, Xubuntu. Lubuntu and Kubuntu, we should see a more polished desktop environment.

    Note: Please don't quote me six months from now, as I've been known to be wrong a time or two.

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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by cariboo907 View Post
    As far as a devel branch is concerned, I wish

    14.10 should be the start of some pretty amazing development on the desktop, with Mir and Unity 8, for those that prefer the old style Windows type desktop, Xubuntu. Lubuntu and Kubuntu, we should see a more polished desktop environment.

    Note: Please don't quote me six months from now, as I've been known to be wrong a time or two.
    It's NOT a matter of being wrong, it's a matter of these darn faulty time machines they're building these days

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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    It's NOT a matter of being wrong, it's a matter of these darn faulty time machines they're building these days
    Most certainly, the older we get the worse the time machines are

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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hazzabin View Post
    Most certainly, the older we get the worse the time machines are
    Mine's working fine and I knew you were going to say that.

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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    A question has been asked by Jonathan Carter at the mailing list:

    https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnom.../msg00010.html

    Hi!

    Mate has steadily been making its way into Debian and Ubuntu:
    http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/01/m...op-ubuntu-1404
    https://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/mate-desktop

    Originally there was a lot of doubt whether that would ever happen, and
    I think that it negates the need for Flashback. Also, the upstream Gnome
    software (like Nautilus, Gnome Control Center, etc) are diverging faster
    and faster and either doesn't fit in or doesn't work well with Flashback
    anymore. Not that it's a big surprise, it was going to come at some
    point. But I think it's time to rather have a new, minimilistic Mate
    session available for some of the usecases that Flashback was good for
    and lay Flashback to rest.

    Personally I never put in the amount of energy in to this that I
    originally hoped to, and I think it might be better to put it to rest
    than to drag it out much further.

    Any thoughts? Or in particular? Any good reasons to keep Flashback on
    life support?

    -Jonathan
    I already weighed in:

    https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnom.../msg00016.html

    Hi Jonathan,

    I'd first remind everyone that I'm not a developer, only an end user/tester, and my recent experience is limited to the Ubuntu family.


    My first concern is that someone will read this, cherry-pick the list, and declare "flashback" dead before any official decision is made.


    At the Ubuntu level we first need to clarify that since Ubuntu and Edubuntu Precise are supported until April 2017, and Trusty until April 2019, that Precise and Trusty flashback will continue to be supported throughout the lifespan of those two releases.


    On 04/28/2014 01:41 PM, Jonathan Carter wrote:

    Hi!

    Mate has steadily been making its way into Debian and Ubuntu:
    http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/01/m...op-ubuntu-1404
    https://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/mate-desktop


    Just tried Mate in Ubuntu Utopic which is now installable (and bootable) simply by installing 'mate-session-manager'. The footprint is certainly light enough - 64.2 MB, but also pulls in 'caja' and I suspect that Edubuntu (which offers flashback as an option during installation) would prefer to use whatever file manager is default in Ubuntu whether that be nautilus, nemo, or whatever Ubuntu chooses in the future. I still happen to prefer nautilus.


    I should note that the Mate session in Utopic is buggy ATM but that's to be expected this early in a dev cycle. I did not parse packages to see if I was missing any recommends, etc.



    Originally there was a lot of doubt whether that would ever happen, and
    I think that it negates the need for Flashback. Also, the upstream Gnome
    software (like Nautilus, Gnome Control Center, etc) are diverging faster
    and faster and either doesn't fit in or doesn't work well with Flashback
    anymore. Not that it's a big surprise, it was going to come at some
    point. But I think it's time to rather have a new, minimilistic Mate
    session available for some of the usecases that Flashback was good for
    and lay Flashback to rest.


    Since flashback in Ubuntu now uses 'unity-settings-daemon' and 'unity-control-center' (at least in some regards) does that make things simpler or more complex? I'm admittedly more than a bit confused in that regard :^/



    Personally I never put in the amount of energy in to this that I
    originally hoped to, and I think it might be better to put it to rest
    than to drag it out much further.

    Any thoughts? Or in particular? Any good reasons to keep Flashback on
    life support?


    I personally don't think it should even be considered until Mate changes to GTK+3, presumably in version 1.10, and even then we should approach such a change with great caution - almost certainly waiting until Mate has their full DE working well in Ubuntu at which point Edubuntu may want to consider the change.


    A bit off-topic here but if I'd had my druthers, which seldom happens, I'd rather see a flashback w/mutter session as a more easily configurable alternative to GNOME's new classic session ;^)


    Lance

    Please add a comment to the list if you have an opinion either way.

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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    A question has been asked by Jonathan Carter at the mailing list:

    https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnom.../msg00010.html



    I already weighed in:

    https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnom.../msg00016.html



    Please add a comment to the list if you have an opinion either way.

    ATM I am using an install with gnome-flashback (compiz) Utopic and it is running just fine. I do not use it regularly, just mostly for experimentation and minimalist jobs. Ronac used to say "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

    This may be topical. fvwm-crystal had some big updates as of recent. It is an older , more vintage DE/WM but it appears it is still maintained from time to time. My opinion is - take gnome-session and mate one day at a time. Do what can be done, fix it when time permits and patch it when time permits but keep options open - don't drop it completely. Somebody else will pick up the slack. That's how things work around here.

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    Re: Trusty GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by albertsmuktupavels View Post
    1) Are you only one with black panels or there are other users with same problem?
    2) Black panels with both session? metacity and compiz.
    3) Can you access panel properties? Alt + Right click on panel.
    With the Radiance and Ambiance I DON'T have the problem with black panels.
    With others themes from gnome-look I DO have the problem with the black panels.

    The theme needs to be changed I suppose.

    How to change the theme?

    In the gtk2 or gtk3 theme?
    In the gnome-shell theme?
    Or the unity theme?

    Thanks for the help.

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