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  1. #371
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    Re: Trusty GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by Smask View Post
    Plain Ubuntu with Flashback
    I see what you mean:

    Screenshot from 2014-04-12 08:24:06.jpg

    But if I set this back to overlay-auto:

    Screenshot from 2014-04-12 08:20:46.jpg

    Then I still get the overlay-scrollbars even if change the setting there:

    Screenshot from 2014-04-12 08:25:45.jpg

    Probably something to do with flashback using unity-settings-daemon instead of gnome-settings-daemon

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    Re: Trusty GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    Well it's crunch time again

    In order that others can follow what I'm doing I'll start posting a lot of "thinking out loud" stuff here. In this case I have a fresh install of Ubuntu Trusty final Beta and I want to record what happens when I install 'gnome-panel':

    Code:
    lance@lance-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
    [sudo] password for lance: 
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    The following extra packages will be installed:
      alacarte gir1.2-gconf-2.0 gir1.2-panelapplet-4.0 gnome-applets
      gnome-applets-data gnome-control-center gnome-control-center-data
      gnome-media gnome-panel-data gnome-session gnome-session-flashback
      gnome-settings-daemon gstreamer0.10-gconf indicator-applet-complete
      libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 libgoa-backend-1.0-1 libpanel-applet-4-0
      metacity notification-daemon
    Suggested packages:
      tomboy gnome-netstatus-applet deskbar-applet cpufrequtils desktop-base
      gnome-themes-standard
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
      alacarte gir1.2-gconf-2.0 gir1.2-panelapplet-4.0 gnome-applets
      gnome-applets-data gnome-control-center gnome-control-center-data
      gnome-media gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-session
      gnome-session-flashback gnome-settings-daemon gstreamer0.10-gconf
      indicator-applet-complete libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 libgoa-backend-1.0-1
      libpanel-applet-4-0 metacity notification-daemon
    0 upgraded, 20 newly installed, 0 to remove and 117 not upgraded.
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    Edit #1: First flashback w/metacity login looks good:

    Attachment 251562

    Edit #2: Flashback w/compiz is broken in many ways, but my focus is on the metacity session anyway. Someone else will have to deal with the complexities of compiz. Sorry but that's just the way it is

    Edit #3: I know I'm going to want some additional packages and I'm going to list them one by one:

    Code:
    lance@lance-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install dconf-tools
    [sudo] password for lance: 
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    The following extra packages will be installed:
      dconf-editor
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
      dconf-editor dconf-tools
    0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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    Code:
    lance@lance-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree        
    Reading state information... Done
    The following extra packages will be installed:
      gir1.2-gdesktopenums-3.0 gir1.2-gnomedesktop-3.0 gnome-shell-common
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
      gir1.2-gdesktopenums-3.0 gir1.2-gnomedesktop-3.0 gnome-shell-common
      gnome-tweak-tool
    0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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    Code:
    lance@lance-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install indicator-applet
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
      indicator-applet
    0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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    Code:
    lance@lance-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install shiki-colors-metacity-theme
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
      shiki-colors-metacity-theme
    0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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    Code:
    lance@lance-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install sensors-applet
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    The following extra packages will be installed:
      hddtemp libsensors-applet-plugin0
    Suggested packages:
      ksensors
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
      hddtemp libsensors-applet-plugin0 sensors-applet
    0 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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    I'll probably want to install more but lets see what happens.

    Edit #4: Moving the window management buttons to the right has not changed since my OP:

    Code:
    gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences button-layout :minimize,maximize,close
    Edit #5: Applying the Shiki-Colors-Metacity theme is the same as Saucy:

    Code:
    gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences theme Shiki-Colors-Metacity
    Edit #6: Disabling the overlay-scrollbars seems to still work the same:

    Code:
    gsettings set com.canonical.desktop.interface scrollbar-mode normal
    But I need to rinse-n-repeat because I think an additional option has been added?

    Edit #7: I disabled the webapps:

    Code:
    gsettings set com.canonical.unity.webapps integration-allowed false
    Edit #8: I used 'gnome-tweak-tool' to set the desktop to display mounted volumes:

    Attachment 251605

    And to set the key sequence for killing X:

    Attachment 251606

    It can also be used for changing themes:

    Attachment 251607

    But I had to use the CLI to restore the missing menu icons:

    Code:
    gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface menus-have-icons true
    Code:
    gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface buttons-have-icons true
    The footprint is a bit larger installing 'gnome-panel' in Ubuntu GNOME:

    Code:
    lance@lance-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
    [sudo] password for lance: 
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    The following extra packages will be installed:
      alacarte geoclue-ubuntu-geoip gir1.2-gconf-2.0 gir1.2-panelapplet-4.0
      gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-media gnome-panel-data
      gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver gnome-session-flashback
      gsettings-ubuntu-schemas gstreamer0.10-gconf indicator-applet-complete
      indicator-bluetooth indicator-datetime indicator-keyboard indicator-messages
      indicator-power indicator-printers indicator-session indicator-sound
      libaccount-plugin-1.0-0 libaccount-plugin-generic-oauth
      libaccount-plugin-google libaccounts-qt5-1 libgee2 libgles2-mesa
      libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 liblightdm-gobject-1-0 libmetacity-private0a
      libpanel-applet-4-0 libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5gui5 libqt5network5
      libqt5opengl5 libqt5positioning5 libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5quick5
      libqt5sensors5 libqt5sql5 libqt5sql5-sqlite libqt5test5 libqt5webkit5
      libqt5widgets5 libqt5xml5 libsignon-extension1 libsignon-plugins-common1
      libsignon-qt5-1 libtimezonemap1 liburl-dispatcher1 libxcb-randr0
      libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-xkb1 metacity metacity-common
      signon-keyring-extension signon-plugin-oauth2 signon-ui signond
      unity-control-center unity-control-center-signon unity-settings-daemon
    Suggested packages:
      tomboy gnome-netstatus-applet deskbar-applet cpufrequtils desktop-base click
      lightdm unity-greeter-session-broadcast url-dispatcher
    Recommended packages:
      indicator-applet indicator-renderer
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
      alacarte geoclue-ubuntu-geoip gir1.2-gconf-2.0 gir1.2-panelapplet-4.0
      gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-media gnome-panel gnome-panel-data
      gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver gnome-session-flashback
      gsettings-ubuntu-schemas gstreamer0.10-gconf indicator-applet-complete
      indicator-bluetooth indicator-datetime indicator-keyboard indicator-messages
      indicator-power indicator-printers indicator-session indicator-sound
      libaccount-plugin-1.0-0 libaccount-plugin-generic-oauth
      libaccount-plugin-google libaccounts-qt5-1 libgee2 libgles2-mesa
      libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 liblightdm-gobject-1-0 libmetacity-private0a
      libpanel-applet-4-0 libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5gui5 libqt5network5
      libqt5opengl5 libqt5positioning5 libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5quick5
      libqt5sensors5 libqt5sql5 libqt5sql5-sqlite libqt5test5 libqt5webkit5
      libqt5widgets5 libqt5xml5 libsignon-extension1 libsignon-plugins-common1
      libsignon-qt5-1 libtimezonemap1 liburl-dispatcher1 libxcb-randr0
      libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-xkb1 metacity metacity-common
      signon-keyring-extension signon-plugin-oauth2 signon-ui signond
      unity-control-center unity-control-center-signon unity-settings-daemon
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    And for now I want to use the Ambiance theme so:

    Code:
    lance@lance-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install light-themes
    [sudo] password for lance: 
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    The following extra packages will be installed:
      gtk2-engines-murrine gtk3-engines-unico ubuntu-mono
    Suggested packages:
      murrine-themes
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
      gtk2-engines-murrine gtk3-engines-unico light-themes ubuntu-mono
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    And a bit more:

    Code:
    lance@lance-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install shiki-colors-metacity-theme dmz-cursor-theme
    [sudo] password for lance: 
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
      dmz-cursor-theme shiki-colors-metacity-theme
    0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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    Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/main dmz-cursor-theme all 0.4.4ubuntu1 [193 kB]
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    Setting up dmz-cursor-theme (0.4.4ubuntu1) ...
    update-alternatives: using /usr/share/icons/DMZ-White/cursor.theme to provide /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme (x-cursor-theme) in auto mode
    Setting up shiki-colors-metacity-theme (4.6-1ubuntu2) ...
    Last edited by kansasnoob; April 13th, 2014 at 09:31 AM.

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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    I'm editing my OP so it makes sense moving into 14.10 dev, and also so it's useful to noobs. Therefore I need to lump a few things into simple posts that can be referenced easily and just make sense

    The footprint of installing 'gnome-panel' in Ubuntu ATM is quite light:

    Code:
    lance@lance-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
    [sudo] password for lance: 
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    The following extra packages will be installed:
      alacarte gir1.2-gconf-2.0 gir1.2-panelapplet-4.0 gnome-applets
      gnome-applets-data gnome-control-center gnome-control-center-data
      gnome-media gnome-panel-data gnome-session gnome-session-flashback
      gnome-settings-daemon gstreamer0.10-gconf indicator-applet-complete
      libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 libgoa-backend-1.0-1 libpanel-applet-4-0
      metacity notification-daemon
    Suggested packages:
      tomboy gnome-netstatus-applet deskbar-applet cpufrequtils desktop-base
      gnome-themes-standard
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
      alacarte gir1.2-gconf-2.0 gir1.2-panelapplet-4.0 gnome-applets
      gnome-applets-data gnome-control-center gnome-control-center-data
      gnome-media gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-session
      gnome-session-flashback gnome-settings-daemon gstreamer0.10-gconf
      indicator-applet-complete libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 libgoa-backend-1.0-1
      libpanel-applet-4-0 metacity notification-daemon
    0 upgraded, 20 newly installed, 0 to remove and 117 not upgraded.
    Need to get 10.2 MB of archives.
    After this operation, 50.5 MB of additional disk space will be used.
    The footprint of installing 'gnome-panel' in Ubuntu GNOME is a bit heavier since "flashback" now uses 'unity-settings-daemon' and 'unity-control-center' instead of the GNOME versions of those same packages:

    Code:
    lance@lance-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
    [sudo] password for lance: 
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    The following extra packages will be installed:
      alacarte geoclue-ubuntu-geoip gir1.2-gconf-2.0 gir1.2-panelapplet-4.0
      gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-media gnome-panel-data
      gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver gnome-session-flashback
      gsettings-ubuntu-schemas gstreamer0.10-gconf indicator-applet-complete
      indicator-bluetooth indicator-datetime indicator-keyboard indicator-messages
      indicator-power indicator-printers indicator-session indicator-sound
      libaccount-plugin-1.0-0 libaccount-plugin-generic-oauth
      libaccount-plugin-google libaccounts-qt5-1 libgee2 libgles2-mesa
      libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 liblightdm-gobject-1-0 libmetacity-private0a
      libpanel-applet-4-0 libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5gui5 libqt5network5
      libqt5opengl5 libqt5positioning5 libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5quick5
      libqt5sensors5 libqt5sql5 libqt5sql5-sqlite libqt5test5 libqt5webkit5
      libqt5widgets5 libqt5xml5 libsignon-extension1 libsignon-plugins-common1
      libsignon-qt5-1 libtimezonemap1 liburl-dispatcher1 libxcb-randr0
      libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-xkb1 metacity metacity-common
      signon-keyring-extension signon-plugin-oauth2 signon-ui signond
      unity-control-center unity-control-center-signon unity-settings-daemon
    Suggested packages:
      tomboy gnome-netstatus-applet deskbar-applet cpufrequtils desktop-base click
      lightdm unity-greeter-session-broadcast url-dispatcher
    Recommended packages:
      indicator-applet indicator-renderer
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
      alacarte geoclue-ubuntu-geoip gir1.2-gconf-2.0 gir1.2-panelapplet-4.0
      gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-media gnome-panel gnome-panel-data
      gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver gnome-session-flashback
      gsettings-ubuntu-schemas gstreamer0.10-gconf indicator-applet-complete
      indicator-bluetooth indicator-datetime indicator-keyboard indicator-messages
      indicator-power indicator-printers indicator-session indicator-sound
      libaccount-plugin-1.0-0 libaccount-plugin-generic-oauth
      libaccount-plugin-google libaccounts-qt5-1 libgee2 libgles2-mesa
      libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 liblightdm-gobject-1-0 libmetacity-private0a
      libpanel-applet-4-0 libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5gui5 libqt5network5
      libqt5opengl5 libqt5positioning5 libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5quick5
      libqt5sensors5 libqt5sql5 libqt5sql5-sqlite libqt5test5 libqt5webkit5
      libqt5widgets5 libqt5xml5 libsignon-extension1 libsignon-plugins-common1
      libsignon-qt5-1 libtimezonemap1 liburl-dispatcher1 libxcb-randr0
      libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-xkb1 metacity metacity-common
      signon-keyring-extension signon-plugin-oauth2 signon-ui signond
      unity-control-center unity-control-center-signon unity-settings-daemon
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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    One of the most troublesome things I've encountered is the inability to backup and restore a total "out-of-box" configuration, or a custom config

    It used to be this easy:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...0#post11968600

    Now I find myself sometimes having to actually purge entire packages and sometimes even having to reinstall the OS altogether if i mess up

    Any thoughts?

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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    I see the new 'gnome-panel' is in Trusty-proposed so give me a bit to test thoroughly. It'd be easier if the daily images weren't borked ATM.

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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    One of the most troublesome things I've encountered is the inability to backup and restore a total "out-of-box" configuration, or a custom config

    It used to be this easy:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...0#post11968600

    Now I find myself sometimes having to actually purge entire packages and sometimes even having to reinstall the OS altogether if i mess up

    Any thoughts?
    I gained a tiny bit by renaming additional hidden-dots in Home:

    Code:
    lance@lance-desktop:~$ ls -a
    .              .config           .gconf_OLD       Pictures
    ..             .config_OLD       .gphoto          .profile
    .adobe         .dbus             .gstreamer-0.10  Public
    .bash_history  Desktop           .ICEauthority    purge_flashback
    .bash_logout   .dmrc             .local           Templates
    .bashrc        Documents         .local_OLD       Videos
    .cache         Downloads         .macromedia      .Xauthority
    .cache_OLD     examples.desktop  .mozilla         .xsession-errors
    .compiz_OLD    .gconf            Music            .xsession-errors.old
    But that does NOT restore the out-of-box panel configuration so I'm still fiddling

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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    You can reset gnome-panel settings to default:
    Code:
    dconf reset -f /org/gnome/gnome-panel/
    Than logout and login or restart pc. Or you can simply restart gnome-panel:
    Code:
    XDG_MENU_PREFIX="gnome-flashback-" gnome-panel --replace &

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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by albertsmuktupavels View Post
    You can reset gnome-panel settings to default:
    Code:
    dconf reset -f /org/gnome/gnome-panel/
    Than logout and login or restart pc. Or you can simply restart gnome-panel:
    Code:
    XDG_MENU_PREFIX="gnome-flashback-" gnome-panel --replace &
    Thank you

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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Comming (at last) from 13.10 to 14.04 with full Ricotz and G3 ppas I've lost flashback...
    Code:
    The following packages have unmet dependencies. gnome-session-flashback : Depends: unity-settings-daemon but it is not going to be installed
    Code:
    The following packages have unmet dependencies. unity-settings-daemon : Depends: gnome-settings-daemon-schemas (< 3.10) but 3.12.0.1-0ubuntu1~trusty1 is to be installed
    Any idea(s) (other than, I presume, purging Ricotz's ppas) how to get {it,them} back...?
    Also, while on that subject, Classic is unusable, it just stall at the entrance... In 13.10 last weeks it was the same as vanilla GnomeShell...
    So, I'm doomed just to use GS, Unity or (better) awesome, razor, etc...

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    Re: GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Keep the faith zika, we've only got a week and a few days, before the toolchain for the next version is uploaded.

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