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    Re: Trusty GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    I was searching for something else and stumbled upon this:

    https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeFlashback

    Really good info so I wanted to share it
    I'm finding this mailing list hard to follow:

    https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-flashback-list/

    But it is certainly active

    Anyway I noticed that we may be in for another session renaming:

    https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnom.../msg00013.html

    today installed trusty in virtualbox to test flashback session. Enabled proposed. After upgrade I was able to login in both sessions - flashback with metacity and flashback with compiz. Only session names seems too long for lightdm. Maybe session names can be GNOME Flashback (Metacity) and GNOME Flashback (Compiz)?
    I personally think it would be better to just drop GNOME from the name

    Compare the length of the session names:

    GNOME Flashback (no effects)
    GNOME Flashback (Metacity)

    Duh, it's one freaking character!

    But it seems that's been approved:

    https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnom.../msg00014.html



    Also worried about Jonathan Carter:

    http://jonathancarter.org/2013/08/25/still-alive/

    I’ve been really quiet on the blogging front the last few months. There’s been a lot happening in my life. In short, I moved back to South Africa and started working for another company. I have around 10 blog drafts that I will probably never finish, so I’m just declaring post bankruptcy and starting from scratch (who wants read my old notes from Ubuntu VUDS from March anyway?)

    For what it’s worth, I’m still alive and doing very well, possibly better than ever. Over the next few months I want to focus my free software time on the Edubuntu project, my Debian ITPs (which I’ve neglected so badly they’ve been turned into RFPs) and Flashback. Once I’ve caught up there’s plenty of other projects where I’d like to focus some energy as well (LTSP, Debian-Edu, just to name a few).
    Anyway I have zero dev skills (+ a bum right arm on top of my brain damage) so I'd love to see someone from Ubuntu jump into the fray and try to create some focus on making this work with the Ubuntu base. If no one else steps up I'll try my best

    In other news, there was a mention regarding 'gnome-screensaver':

    https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnom.../msg00015.html

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    Re: Trusty GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    In other news, there was a mention regarding 'gnome-screensaver':

    https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnom.../msg00015.html
    Glad to see they are at least looking at that. Why could they not add xscreensaver as a dependency as it does indeed include a locking feature; probably due to who owns it I expect.
    They could add both gnome-screensaver and xscreensaver as recommends.

    BTW I noticed that my xscreensaver didn't start up a while ago after 10 minutes I looked and it was not running.
    I added the startup command to the script, logged out and back in and it worked perfectly.

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    sleep 60
    killall gnome
    -screensaver
    sleep 10
    xscreensaver 
    -nosplash 
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    Re: Trusty GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    Anyway I noticed that we may be in for another session renaming:

    https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnom.../msg00013.html

    I personally think it would be better to just drop GNOME from the name

    Compare the length of the session names:

    GNOME Flashback (no effects)
    GNOME Flashback (Metacity)

    Duh, it's one freaking character!

    But it seems that's been approved:

    https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnom.../msg00014.html
    We have gnome-panel 3.8 in -proposed. Session names: GNOME Flashback (with Metacity) and GNOME Flashback (with Compiz). So it is more than one freaking character.

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    Re: Trusty GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cavsfan View Post
    Glad to see they are at least looking at that. Why could they not add xscreensaver as a dependency as it does indeed include a locking feature; probably due to who owns it I expect.
    They could add both gnome-screensaver and xscreensaver as recommends.

    BTW I noticed that my xscreensaver didn't start up a while ago after 10 minutes I looked and it was not running.
    I added the startup command to the script, logged out and back in and it worked perfectly.

    PHP Code:
    #! /bin/bash
    sleep 60
    killall gnome
    -screensaver
    sleep 10
    xscreensaver 
    -nosplash 
    That I would hate!!!!!

    Why would I want Xscreensaver as a dependency when I hate it with a passion!

    It makes much more sense to have the default gnome-screensaver moved to "recommends" so those who don't want it can remove it w/o forcing a personal choice on all users
    Last edited by kansasnoob; November 27th, 2013 at 08:36 AM.

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    Re: Trusty GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by albertsmuktupavels View Post
    We have gnome-panel 3.8 in -proposed. Session names: GNOME Flashback (with Metacity) and GNOME Flashback (with Compiz). So it is more than one freaking character.
    But, if I can still read, the original complaint was:

    today installed trusty in virtualbox to test flashback session. Enabled proposed. After upgrade I was able to login in both sessions - flashback with metacity and flashback with compiz. Only session names seems too long for lightdm. Maybe session names can be GNOME Flashback (Metacity) and GNOME Flashback (Compiz)?
    So you're now going from:

    GNOME Flashback (no effects)

    to:

    GNOME Flashback (with Metacity)

    And from:

    GNOME Flashback

    to:

    GNOME Flashback (with Compiz)

    Compare those:

    GNOME Flashback (no effects)
    GNOME Flashback (with Metacity)

    GNOME Flashback
    GNOME Flashback (with Compiz)

    How does that even remotely address the issue of "session names seems too long for lightdm" when you're actually increasing the length of the names?

    It will only serve to create more confusion:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2185161

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    Re: Trusty GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    But, if I can still read, the original complaint was:



    So you're now going from:

    GNOME Flashback (no effects)

    to:

    GNOME Flashback (with Metacity)

    And from:

    GNOME Flashback

    to:

    GNOME Flashback (with Compiz)

    Compare those:

    GNOME Flashback (no effects)
    GNOME Flashback (with Metacity)

    GNOME Flashback
    GNOME Flashback (with Compiz)

    How does that even remotely address the issue of "session names seems too long for lightdm" when you're actually increasing the length of the names?

    It will only serve to create more confusion:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2185161
    You are wrong...

    Now (current version 3.6.2):
    GNOME Flashback (no effects)
    GNOME Flashback

    In -proposed (version 3.8.0)
    GNOME Flashback (with Metacity)
    GNOME Flashback (with Compiz)

    And I suggested to rename to:
    GNOME Flashback (Metacity)
    GNOME Flashback (Compiz)

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    Re: Trusty GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    I'm not going to apply proposed changes right now but here's what the changelog says:

    gnome-panel (1:3.8.0-1ubuntu1) trusty; urgency=low

    * Merge with Debian unstable, remaining changes:
    - Use an epoch in version number.
    - Recommend indicator-applet-complete.
    - Adjust Breaks/Replaces for Ubuntu versioning.
    - Drop 14_revert_timedate_change.patch, we are using timedated.
    - Add patches:
    + 40_unset_menuproxy.patch
    + 41_classic_layout.patch
    + 50_ubuntu_sessions.patch
    + 85_disable_shutdown_on_ltsp.patch
    - Add apport hook.
    * Use new display names for sessions: "GNOME Flashback (with Compiz)"
    and "GNOME Flashback (with Metacity)"
    .
    * Tweak the session files to always start nautilus-classic.

    -- Dmitry Shachnev <mitya57@ubuntu.com> Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:20:12 +0400
    Those new names are longer than the old names!

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    Re: Trusty GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    I'm not going to apply proposed changes right now but here's what the changelog says:



    Those new names are longer than the old names!
    Oh, and Ubuntu GNOME may have to apply some tweaks to NOT display the Compiz session if Compiz is not installed

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    Re: Trusty GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Trusty Flashback, I've got compiz working really well, either with 'wall' or 'cube'

    Only downside I've got nothing showing in top or bottom 'task-bar' or 'panels' whatever they is called both top and bottom completely black, lucky I got cairo-dock.

    ideas how to fix please

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    Re: Trusty GNOME Classic & Flashback sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by albertsmuktupavels View Post
    You are wrong...

    Now (current version 3.6.2):
    GNOME Flashback (no effects)
    GNOME Flashback

    In -proposed (version 3.8.0)
    GNOME Flashback (with Metacity)
    GNOME Flashback (with Compiz)

    And I suggested to rename to:
    GNOME Flashback (Metacity)
    GNOME Flashback (Compiz)
    I see now, you were referring to the change that's coming in proposed.

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