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    Re: Say Goodbye to Windows XP - StartUbuntu Project

    Agree with the above!
    MY dads Laptop running Vista was just going wrong all the time.
    I have now installed Ubuntu 13.10 and it wasn't easy, he would never have been able to do it.

    You need to plug the ethernet cable in as the wireless adapter card is not recognised.
    The display was very blocky then just lines across it after install, so un-useable!

    Luckily after the third power off/on the display stayed on long enough for me to download the additonal drivers so I could select the Broadcom wireless driver and Nvidia graphics card.
    These should be included without having to download them!
    What concerns me is that if the screen hadn't recovered how would you manage to get it up and running, remembering that a complete novice wouldn't know anything about the terminal.

    After that printing should be sorted out, if you have a HP printer then your in luck as they do provide very good Linux support, the canon printer did work but not great and a lot of functionality was messed up.

    These basic sorts of things really need to be what I would class as a priority because a newcomer who runs in to these issues on a first trial or install will just give up and go back to Windows/Mac
    Its OK having all the latest gizmos and gadgets for the desktop, but if you can't get to the the point of even seeing them it's a little bit pointless.

    Cheers

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    Re: Say Goodbye to Windows XP - StartUbuntu Project

    Quote Originally Posted by stilnovo1 View Post
    @sudodus: since I'm new to this forum, may I ask to you a suggestion on where (category) to start my new thread regarding that "pleasable" Amilo L7320? The problem, as you know is about the difficulty of installation.
    I would put the new thread in the Hardware forum and write about the problematic hardware (the graphics card) in the opening post. You can also add links to related topics (including some of your posts in this thread). But it can also be argued that it should be put in the Installation & Upgrades forum.
    By the way, today I have just done another installation on a friend of mine's laptop. With this pc, from when I've approached the Linux' world (last september), I've "converted" a total of 10 computers, all of them were running XP. 7 of them now have Lubuntu 13.10, 2 Xubuntu 12.04, 1 Kubuntu 12.04.

    Well, I'm not a veteran, but I can say that no one of those installations has been easy: I've learnt a lot of things and for this I'm quite happy, but I think that a person that is not stubborn like me maybe would prefer an easier way to install. To be better precise: the installation would be easy, but it always happens something that makes hard to do a fast thing: an unsupported graphic card, a processor with a Celeron M inside (for example!!) etc. that complicate very much.

    I'm talking about hardware that actually is running XP, so I think that it should be very well supported without to oblige a normal user to become an expert of HWE stack, for example.

    Once people have a problemless working machine today, for sure the same people will buy in the future a new Ubuntu-powered computer.

    So, I think that from one side developers should be more (Pangoline) precise on the analisys about the drivers and the procedures for the machines that are actually running XP, specially the developers that take care about Lubuntu and Xubuntu: simple and clear procedures on how to convert an XP machine to one of that two 'flavours', maybe the most suitables for those computers. Now many things are clear to me, but believe to me that I've discovered only in recent times this beautiful world: it's not simple for a normal user to convert its machine from XP to another OS. The steps to do this must be simples and clears.

    I think that it could be very useful to do a page for newbies where to teach in very simple words, with some images and with a basic glossary, the basic concepts as 'repository', superuser, why you have to mount a partition before to look at in etc.
    Very simple things for all of you, but quite hard at the beginning. Once you have known them, they won't frighten you anymore! Yes, there are many books, tutorials etc but why don't make things easier?
    Another useful thing could be to find one/two slogans, in order to excite people curiosity. For sure, in these critical economical times nobody wants to throw away your own computer!
    I've seen that once installed, in less than a month a person can use L/Xubuntu with succes and satisfaction.
    Am I wrong?
    I have also climbed a long and sometimes steep learning curve for linux. There are attempts to make things easier. Ubuntu's main goal is this (but it is focusing on newer hardware than that of old XP computers) and it is still difficult because the hardware manufacturers are not interested enough of the free and open software. They think (or know?!) that there is not enough money to earn by making linux drivers.

    If this is important enough for you, and you have the time, please help us improving the Ubuntu community documents (the wiki pages). To give you an example, I 'adopted' the following old and existing page, and I try to improve it and keep it up to date.

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...n/FromUSBStick

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    Re: Say Goodbye to Windows XP - StartUbuntu Project

    @ sudodus: thank you very much for the suggestions!

    Finally, I've begun the new thread regarding the problems on Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo L7320 here.

    I can undestand that Ubuntu is focusing on newer hardware, but it would be very nice if Lubuntu or Xubuntu would concentrate their efforts on XP-running hardware. How can you find new users if you don't introduce them to the use? And what better oportunity will occur than this one in april? If I were an Ubuntu developer I would be very focused on the next 14.04 L/Xubuntu versions, maybe those are the most important 'flavours' in this historical moment. Then, when you will have a user base, the things will be easier and you will be able to promote every DE environment in a new hardware. I'm trying to convince my Company to switch to Lubuntu, but this problem on my laptop (owned by other colleagues in my company) has put on hold my idea... so in the future it will be difficult for me to convince the Property to buy a new Linux-powered pc. My colleagues want to turn on the pc, to use facebook and (sometimes) to work on it!


    @ sudodus: I see that you are an expert, and the page you have 'adopted' requires advanced technical knowledge that I actually don't have... it's not a long time I've discovered the Linux world (from the last september), and I "study" only in few moments in my free time (in this period I was ill at home, so I had some more time...).

    Anyway, I'd like to participate to something like a page for real absolute beginners: I've seen for example on my parents that want to learn to use a pc (digital divide due to the age), that it's easier for them to learn with Lubuntu (13.10) than with Win 7.
    I think that this Community should create a website or a project where to spread the 'LABC' (LinuxABC): I remember at the beginning that I wasn't able to understand what a repository was for example. Also looking for a program doing simple things like to erase the cache has not been so simple: the first time I've put a search more or less like "CCleaner for Linux"!!
    Finally, we can say that you/we should create a more popular culture about this arguments.
    Unluckily, for the moment I don't feel myself so ready for more skilled arguments... if there were simpler things...

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    Re: Say Goodbye to Windows XP - StartUbuntu Project

    Quote Originally Posted by stilnovo1 View Post
    @ sudodus: thank you very much for the suggestions!

    Finally, I've begun the new thread regarding the problems on Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo L7320 here.

    I can undestand that Ubuntu is focusing on newer hardware, but it would be very nice if Lubuntu or Xubuntu would concentrate their efforts on XP-running hardware. How can you find new users if you don't introduce them to the use? And what better oportunity will occur than this one in april? If I were an Ubuntu developer I would be very focused on the next 14.04 L/Xubuntu versions, maybe those are the most important 'flavours' in this historical moment. Then, when you will have a user base, the things will be easier and you will be able to promote every DE environment in a new hardware. I'm trying to convince my Company to switch to Lubuntu, but this problem on my laptop (owned by other colleagues in my company) has put on hold my idea... so in the future it will be difficult for me to convince the Property to buy a new Linux-powered pc. My colleagues want to turn on the pc, to use facebook and (sometimes) to work on it!


    @ sudodus: I see that you are an expert, and the page you have 'adopted' requires advanced technical knowledge that I actually don't have... it's not a long time I've discovered the Linux world (from the last september), and I "study" only in few moments in my free time (in this period I was ill at home, so I had some more time...).

    Anyway, I'd like to participate to something like a page for real absolute beginners: I've seen for example on my parents that want to learn to use a pc (digital divide due to the age), that it's easier for them to learn with Lubuntu (13.10) than with Win 7.
    I think that this Community should create a website or a project where to spread the 'LABC' (LinuxABC): I remember at the beginning that I wasn't able to understand what a repository was for example. Also looking for a program doing simple things like to erase the cache has not been so simple: the first time I've put a search more or less like "CCleaner for Linux"!!
    Finally, we can say that you/we should create a more popular culture about this arguments.
    Unluckily, for the moment I don't feel myself so ready for more skilled arguments... if there were simpler things...
    I subscribed to that thread out of curiosity but I'll be busy for about a week with iso-testing

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    Re: Say Goodbye to Windows XP - StartUbuntu Project

    Quote Originally Posted by stilnovo1 View Post
    @ sudodus: thank you very much for the suggestions!

    Finally, I've begun the new thread regarding the problems on Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo L7320 here.
    I'll subscribe to that page
    Anyway, I'd like to participate to something like a page for real absolute beginners: I've seen for example on my parents that want to learn to use a pc (digital divide due to the age), that it's easier for them to learn with Lubuntu (13.10) than with Win 7.
    I think that this Community should create a website or a project where to spread the 'LABC' (LinuxABC): I remember at the beginning that I wasn't able to understand what a repository was for example. Also looking for a program doing simple things like to erase the cache has not been so simple: the first time I've put a search more or less like "CCleaner for Linux"!!
    Finally, we can say that you/we should create a more popular culture about this arguments.
    Unluckily, for the moment I don't feel myself so ready for more skilled arguments... if there were simpler things...
    I think it is a great idea to create or develop a website or a project where to spread the 'LABC' (LinuxABC).

    There should be several such websites already, at different levels (on a scale from simple to advanced) and focusing on different aspects of linux. Maybe it would be possible for you to find bits and pieces and merge them to something that really will help beginners. So you can create a 'hub' where people can find basic tips and links to more detailed information.

    In priciple these Ubuntu Forums are intended to serve that purpose, to find the right level in dialogue with the user who has a problem, suggest solutions directly and link to deeper sources of information. Sometimes we succeed, sometimes we fail to find the right level in dialogue with the user who has a problem.

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    Re: Say Goodbye to Windows XP - StartUbuntu Project

    Quote Originally Posted by stilnovo1 View Post
    ... but it would be very nice if Lubuntu or Xubuntu would concentrate their efforts on XP-running hardware...
    From the Xubuntu strategy document

    Xubuntu does not explicitly target users with low, modest, or high powered machines but instead targets the entire spectrum.
    if by
    concentrate their efforts on XP-running hardware
    you mean make sure the OS we are readying for release in 2014 should be able to run on machines that were running XP in the early part of the 2000's - then you'll be in for a shock.

    If it works on those machines then that's great.
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    Xubuntu 13.10 is running great on a 2005 Dell Dimension 2400. Just needs a PCI video card for graphics.
    My Grandfather said that most people who lack a sense of humour don't lack humour, they lack sense.

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    Re: Say Goodbye to Windows XP - StartUbuntu Project

    Quote Originally Posted by stilnovo1 View Post
    I'm trying to convince my Company to switch to Lubuntu, but this problem on my laptop (owned by other colleagues in my company) has put on hold my idea... so in the future it will be difficult for me to convince the Property to buy a new Linux-powered pc. My colleagues want to turn on the pc, to use facebook and (sometimes) to work on it!
    I've been thinking about this - how to convert to linux in a company or a particular office or site of a company or other organisation.

    Many old and 'middle-aged' computers, that run Windows XP, Vista or 7 work well with linux without any tweaking or proprietary drivers. Some computers have hardware, that does not work well with linux, and it might be possible but time-consuming to make them work properly. I think you must focus of what works without too much effort, otherwise it will cost more to convert an old computer than to buy a new one with Windows or Mac OS.

    But there is another way to go. Middle-aged or even fairly new computers are discarded by big companies and other organisations. There are companies that specialize in taking care of these computers, wiping the hard disk drives according to certified methods. As a by-product these specialist companies can sell the discarded computers 'second-hand' with or without an installed operating system. In many countries, for example Sweden, there is a market for such second-hand computers of good quality, and some companies and organisations as well as private persons buy them instead of new computers.

    It is possible to find batches of second-hand computers that play well with Ubuntu or an Ubuntu based flavour like Xubuntu, Lubuntu or Kubuntu, and it is a better option to buy such computers, than to try converting computers, that you have in the company, but cannot co-operate with linux.

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    Re: Say Goodbye to Windows XP - StartUbuntu Project

    Xubuntu 13.10 works so well of my Pentium 4 that I wish it were a LTS release. I am afraid to switch over 14.04 in April, for fear that it might not work as well.

    Really, I've tried many distros and flavour, such as Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Mint Cinnamon and Xfce, Puppy, Buddhie Linux, LXLE ect and all had problems and didn't work well with my hardwares. I am not an expert and have no time nor the motivation to spend days making things work. I just want something that can prolong the life of this computer without much tweaking.

    So far Xubuntu 13.10 works flawlessy and though it's perhaps not as lightweight as Lubuntu it is a lot more responsive than Ubuntu on older hardwares.


    Quote Originally Posted by SurfaceUnits View Post
    Xubuntu 13.10 is running great on a 2005 Dell Dimension 2400. Just needs a PCI video card for graphics.
    How much RAM do you have in it?
    Last edited by Tar_Ni; February 23rd, 2014 at 09:33 PM.

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    My Grandfather said that most people who lack a sense of humour don't lack humour, they lack sense.

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