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    Re: Ubuntu Rolling Development

    Quote Originally Posted by JMB74 View Post
    Well doing that with 'devel' gives me exactly the same on a dist-upgrade as 'saucy' in the sources.list
    Another thought entered my brain over night. What if those devel repositories are just mirrors of the saucy repositories and are being kept up to date for the day after 13.10 is released and then they get a name change to something beginning with T?

    There should be no difference between the devel repositories and the saucy repositories because Saucy is still the development branch. The differences should start a day or two after 13.10 release. So, as far as I can see, we have two questions

    1) will the devel repositories stay devel repositories or will they become T<code name> repositories?
    2) will we get some kind of symlink or script to make it easy to switch repositories?

    I think I will put in a fresh install of saucy and switch the repositories to devel and then see what happens over the next month. The install will either continue to be updated into November and onwards or not get updated due to broken links to the respositories.

    Regards.
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    Re: Ubuntu Rolling Development

    Quote Originally Posted by monkeybrain20122 View Post
    I can believe that it is all well and good for other things, but how is Xmir? I tried testing several daily isos and every time xmir gave me blackscreen and I don't have the time to try fixing it so I don't bother testing any more, but that was a month ago so hopefully things have improved.
    Considering the late date it, (xmir/unity-system-compositor) will be included then nothing is going to really change from now meaning it's use is optional. If it presents issues then simply disable or remove u-s-c completely (and any supporting libs if desired.

    If when u-s-c is default installed it presents issues with doing an install then that would be a problem though could be worked around or otherwise grab an iso before that time.
    (the initial 'bug' report on making u-s-c default mentioned Sept. 19th as the cutoff but I think that date may be erroneous, could be anytime from now to before FF

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    Re: Ubuntu Rolling Development

    Quote Originally Posted by monkeybrain20122 View Post
    I can believe that it is all well and good for other things, but how is Xmir? I tried testing several daily isos and every time xmir gave me blackscreen and I don't have the time to try fixing it so I don't bother testing any more, but that was a month ago so hopefully things have improved.
    Happily running saucy here without any Mir/Xmir. Just good old X.

    If you don't like the new display server, just uninstall or disable it and fall back to X.

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    Re: Ubuntu Rolling Development

    @grahammechanical: That should be an interesting "experiment"

    Yeah, that is the question...what happens to those duplicate "devel" repos when 13.10 is released...If that is the name of the new rolling development then it should remain the same, while the normal repo lists should change to the new "T" name (whatever they pick for 14.04)...And then some type of symlink command should be supplied by them to the community, if you want the option of continue rolling instead of just finalizing with 13.10...

    I wish we could contact one of the developers involved to find out (they must know by now)...that is also why i was asking if anyone here or even any of the moderators, have any contact with any of them and might be able to find out for us curious about it...

    I did try e-mailing Rick Spencer...but no reply...he probably gets tons of e-mails and doesn't have time to reply to most of them, unfortunately...

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    Re: Ubuntu Rolling Development

    @craig10x, you may have better luck, if you ask your question on the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list. This mailing list is open to everyone, and is a good way to ask the devs questions.

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    Re: Ubuntu Rolling Development

    Things have improved with xmir. I do not notice any difference between xmir and xserver. With the development branches there are always glitches. We must be careful not to blame xmir when in the past we saw the issue as with Compiz or some video driver or even with xserver and the kernel.

    Remember, the ghost app indicator menus? A few months ago Libreoffice menus did not highlight with a mouse over. These affects were nothing to do with xserver. So, why should simliar issues be the fault of xmir? May be. May be not. I remember all the complaints about Compiz that were going around when I first started reading the posts on this section of the forum. Well, 14.10 will not have Compiz. It will have MIR.

    The important point as far as I can see is that with the release of 13.10 there will be six months of user testing until 14:04 is released to the world. We, ubuntu+1 testers, will be running 14.04 development branch and after that 14.10 development branch whether it is rolling or not and that gives us a front row seat.

    Regards.

    Edit. I am watching for a Saucy ISO that will install with xmir as default. I think the problem will be with the installing of third party software. That automatically includes proprietary video drivers which will then default the installation to xserver. The path has already been trodden by that Xubuntu-xmir ISO that we tested a few weeks ago.
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    Re: Ubuntu Rolling Development

    Thanks Cariboo907 for the suggestion...i will have to check into that...
    @grahammechanical: Seems to me that the quality control of the updates for development have become extremely reliable as the developers and Mark have pointed out....

    I once ran LMDE (Linux Mint's rolling) and had far more problems with that then i ever have had with ubuntu development so i'd say it's definitely ready to become the rolling version of ubuntu...
    I just hope they have that Symlink ready by the 13.10 release...It would make it soooo much easier to switch over

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    Re: Ubuntu Rolling Development

    These were some comments from Rick Spencer i found:
    The tech meeting he is referring to happened some time ago...apprently it is the developer Colin Watson that has the technical solution for this...not sure what he means about "subscribing" to the new name that will be symlinked...how would you "subscribe" to it?

    Rolling Release


    After the unfortunate kerfufle last cycle when I pushed hard to move Ubuntu to a model of LTSs with rolling releases in between, it was nice to close in on one nice outcome. Namely, Colin has a technical solution that will allow users to subscribe to essentially the tip of development. Instead of using “raring” or “saucy” in your sources lists, you’ll subscribe to a new name which is symlinked to whatever is the current development release. In this way, each day you will be on the latest. Even the day after a development release becomes a stable release, because the symlink will just point to the next development release.

    I ended up with a couple of action items from this session. Mostly, to come up with a name and bring it to the next Tech Board meeting for approval. I’m very much leaning to “rolling”, but I am open to discussion This would mean you could say “I am on Raring”, or “I am on Precise”, or “I am on Rolling”. “I am on Rolling” means that you are on the tip of development. Fun!
    Last edited by craig10x; September 15th, 2013 at 05:53 PM.

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    Re: Ubuntu Rolling Development

    But surely 'devel' is the symlink.

    How else would you explain the following directory listing?

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    Re: Ubuntu Rolling Development

    The proof of the pudding's seen i' the eating.
    Code:
    :~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy main restricted universe multiverse
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy-security main restricted universe multiverse
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
    deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu saucy partner
    deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy main
    # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy-proposed multiverse restricted main universe
    #
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel main restricted universe multiverse
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-updates main restricted universe multiverse
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-security main restricted universe multiverse
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-backports main restricted universe multiverse
    # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-proposed multiverse restricted main universe
    gives
    Code:
    ...
    Fetched 33.1 MB in 42s (773 kB/s)                                              
    Reading package lists... Done
    W: Conflicting distribution: http://archive.ubuntu.com devel Release (expected devel but got saucy)
    W: Conflicting distribution: http://archive.ubuntu.com devel-updates Release (expected devel-updates but got saucy)
    W: Conflicting distribution: http://archive.ubuntu.com devel-security Release (expected devel-security but got saucy)
    W: Conflicting distribution: http://archive.ubuntu.com devel-backports Release (expected devel-backports but got saucy)
    while
    Code:
    :~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
    #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy main restricted universe multiverse
    #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
    #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy-security main restricted universe multiverse
    #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
    #deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu saucy partner
    #deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy main
    ##deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy-proposed multiverse restricted main universe
    #
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel main restricted universe multiverse
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-updates main restricted universe multiverse
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-security main restricted universe multiverse
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-backports main restricted universe multiverse
    #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-proposed multiverse restricted main universe
    gives
    Code:
    Fetched 14.1 MB in 18s (749 kB/s)                                              
    Reading package lists... Done
    W: Conflicting distribution: http://archive.ubuntu.com devel Release (expected devel but got saucy)
    W: Conflicting distribution: http://archive.ubuntu.com devel-updates Release (expected devel-updates but got saucy)
    W: Conflicting distribution: http://archive.ubuntu.com devel-security Release (expected devel-security but got saucy)
    W: Conflicting distribution: http://archive.ubuntu.com devel-backports Release (expected devel-backports but got saucy)
    again...
    O.o o.O
    Kerfuffle... Does not look like symlink to me...

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