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    Re: Thinking about switching from SSD to HDD > SD XC : Fuse

    Hola to Welly and others, RE SD XC cards DO work very well in Ubuntu. You need to make a very small addition from the repository. ( Fuse )

    refer to : Want to use the exfat system on a new SDXC memory card,
    This works, came from here:
    http://superuser.com/questions/43636...n-ubuntu-12-04

    exFAT is a proprietary file system developed by Microsoft, and implementing it requires accepting a very restrictive license from Microsoft. However, there is a FUSE implementation of exFAT for linux.
    Since you are on a Ubuntu system, you can install the above-mentioned exFAT implementation from their PPA.

    1. Add the PPA to your sources list by running
      sudo add-apt-repository ppa:relan/exfat
      in your favourite terminal emulator
    2. Install the fuse-exfat and the exfat-utils packages:
      sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install fuse-exfat exfat-utils

    Now you should be able to use the SSD

    Note to Welly, I use a 64Gig sc XC card, super fast, very tiny, and sturdy. Check Amazon, Tiger Direct, Newegg etc.
    Pay now, or pay later, there's no free lunch.

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    Re: Thinking about switching from SSD to HDD

    I already know about that. I'm talking about 128.00 GB SDXC cards. System76 does not support them for their current generation Lemur Ultra Thin (lemu4) notebook PCs. I already created a support ticket and did extensive troubleshooting with them on this issue. I added the relan exfat PPA and it did not work with 128.00 GB SDXC cards.

    Besides, I want to format it to /ext4 and encrypt it using LUKS. System76 says that this configuration is not supported in Ubuntu for 128.00 GB SDXC cards.

    64 GB SDXC cards do work, but it's too small for me. They're affordable though.

    I already have a Kingston DataTraveler HyperX 128.00 GB Super Speed USB 3 thumb drive. It's formatted to /ext4 and encrypted using LUKS.

    Ditto for the WD and Seagate hard disk drives.

    I try to encrypt almost everything that I have in terms of digital files.
    Last edited by Welly Wu; August 26th, 2013 at 12:14 AM.

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    Re: Thinking about switching from SSD to HDD

    I tried it. The hdd is really really slow as molasses. I re-installed Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS 64 bit and it's as slow as Windows 7. I thought Ubuntu was supposed to be faster than a PC and prettier than a Mac? I guess it's truth in advertising at it again. I'll keep the hdd as a backup disk drive in case my Crucial m4 SSD dies, but I strongly prefer not to use the hdd.

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    Re: Thinking about switching from SSD to HDD

    Quote Originally Posted by Welly Wu View Post
    I want to be able to take my music library which is about 220 GB of MP3 songs and high resolution FLAC loss less audio files with me on the go without having to carry an external hard disk drive.
    Any reason why not spotify/google music etc? That sounds like it'd eliminate a huge space taker.
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    Re: Thinking about switching from SSD to HDD

    I already subscribe to Netflix, Hulu Plus, and Spotify Premium. You see, I'm a media buff. I value the arts and entertainment as I'm willing to pay for my premium content. I also have more than 2,750 electronic books for my Amazon Kindle 3G + Wi-Fi e-book reader and I have hundreds of digital magazines in Adobe .PDF format and through Zinio.

    My goodness, I have 6.5 terabytes of storage capacity in SATA-2, SATA-3, and Super Speed USB 3. I just have the desire to collect digital media content. Don't try to attack me. I used to be a Systems Administrator, security analyst, and penetration tester for the US Department of Defense specifically the National Security Agency. I've hardened my Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS 64 bit installation to the maximum capability possible. I monitor my own network traffic constantly and I know how to take offensive and defensive countermeasures. I can call my friends from my former employer for help and assistance.

    Besides, I doubt that you'd like my musical and movie preferences and I doubt you read as many books or magazines as I do. I have rather esoteric interests given my former profession.

    I prefer to stream content as much as possible as I have Verizon FiOS Quantum fiber optic Internet access, but I do rely on my huge private media library from time to time.

    I tried the Toshiba 1 TB HDD and it's dog slow. I don't like it, but I can't say that I'm surprised. SSDs spoiled me rich. The speed and performance are wonderful and I'm likely to buy a high capacity SSD by the end of this year. I'm retired and disabled now, but I have significant assets and I still have significant income sources coming in each week.

    I'm thinking that the Crucial m500 960 GB SATA-3 solid state disk is my top choice right now. I'm also looking at the Samsung EVO 1 TB SATA-3 solid state disk. If I get approved for credit this week, then I might place my online order and use 12 months of financing to pay for it by the end of September 2013.

    I would rather not have to install Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS 64 bit more than twice in less than 6 weeks. I just installed it this past Friday from scratch. I hate re-installing operating systems and my favorite software applications from scratch even though I document all of my work carefully so that I can pinpoint technical issues and resolve them precisely. It's not fun to re-install everything from scratch as it's a lot of significant work. I don't trust imaging software to do it as a full re-installation usually produces the best quality results. My needs do change with each installation so I have to re-evaluate my software decisions.

    Then again, I may decide to get a newer System76 Galago UltraPro with a Crucial m500 mSATA SATA-3 240 GB SSD and a second Crucial m500 960 GB SATA-3 SSD. It would be expensive, but I could afford it early next year in February 2014.

    It's 4:48 AM EST so I just woke up and I'm contemplating ideas.

    Another option is a solid state hybrid disk. Seagate sells their Laptop Thin 2.5" 9.5 mm 1 TB SATA-3 with 8 GB MLC NAND FLASH 5400 RPM hard disk drive for under $130.00 USD. I haven't tried it yet, but I understand that it's almost as fast as a real SSD in terms of boot, reboot, and shutdown performance. Otherwise, it performs like a standard 5400 RPM hard disk drive for regular usage. It has adaptive learning algorithms so it gets faster and faster after 1 week of time using it. I often do repetitive tasks in Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS 64 bit so a SSHD would speed up my System76 Lemur Ultra Thin (lemu4) significantly without costing a large sum of money compared to a 960 GB or 1 TB SSD. I've seen reviews of these SSHDs and they're quite promising.

    We shall see what I do. I may revert to the Toshiba HDD later this week to re-evaluate my options. If I can compromise on speed and performance in return for huge storage capacity, then I may wind up doing that.

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    Cool Re: Thinking about switching from SSD to HDD

    why dont you just get a hybrid drive so you can have both. Thats what I got in mine and it boots uber fast and has 750 gb of storage
    loving the lemur ultra

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    Re: Thinking about switching from SSD to HDD

    I'll give it more consideration this weekend. I'll have the extra money available next Monday and I can purchase a new Seagate Laptop Thin 2.5" 9.5 mm 1.00 terabyte SATA-3 5,400 RPM with 8 GB MLC NAND FLASH solid state hybrid disk from NewEgg.com for $100.00 USD plus New Jersey taxes and shipping fees. I need to evaluate my storage needs this week as I plan to download and install more software applications and perhaps some Steam for Linux PC games as well. We shall see.

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    Re: Thinking about switching from SSD to HDD

    Well well. I just got approved for an Amazon Store Card and my credit limit makes it very easy for me to afford the Seagate Laptop Thin 1 TB SSHD. I'll wait until next Monday to see if I really need it or not though. I'll have the money at that time. I'm getting my disability direct deposit every 3rd of the month so I can shop for a high capacity SSD in late September 2013.

    I want to be able to download and install all of my Humble Indie Bundle and Steam for Linux PC games. This is why I need a high capacity disk.

    I'm not entirely sold on the high prices for SSDs. I think that SSDs are a bit over rated and hyped because they offer such low capacities for more affordable models. A SSHD might be the only compromise that I can afford to make right now. My understanding is that it would take about one week for the intelligent algorithm to cache my frequently used files in the 8 GB MLC NAND FLASH for it to make a noticeable difference in terms of performance.

    128 GB is sufficient for my needs, but I have to do without installing a lot of favorite software applications and especially PC games. If I want to be able to keep purchasing and installing more PC games, then I'm going to need a 1 TB disk whether it be a SSHD or SSD.

    I'll have to think this over because I want to make this the last time I re-install Ubuntu on any PC from scratch. I worked hard to get my existing installation just the way that I want it to function and every time I re-install an OS and software applications from scratch, something changes and it's not identical to my previous installation. It becomes a chore to figure out what's still missing even though I have excellent documentation and step-by-step procedures for all of my favorite software applications. It takes me about 5 - 7 days to re-install everything from scratch to resemble something similar to what I had before.

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    Re: Thinking about switching from SSD to HDD

    By the way, can I get more reviews for SSHDs from actual users here in Ubuntu Forums?

    I know that SSHDs speed up boot, reboot, and shut down times after 4 cycles, but do they improve the performance of loading frequently used software applications as well? I'm thinking that 8 GB of MLC or SLC NAND FLASH isn't enough for everything to be cached at once.

    Should I stick with my Crucial m4 SATA-3 128 GB SSD or should I get the Seagate Laptop Thin SATA-3 1 TB 5,400 RPM SSHD? Is it going to be a major downgrade in terms of performance in order to gain a huge upgrade in storage capacity? Is it that dramatic?

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    Re: Thinking about switching from SSD to HDD

    You should do it, is my opinion. I'd switch at once If I could, I tried when I bought my laptop my new laptop a month ago. But It had no "service-hatch" for replacing the storage-device, cracking the shell open to do that would void the guarantee. So I sticked with my hdd. Harddrives really is the bottleneck on most laptops, sadly enough.
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