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    Abuse of Power: howefield

    So once again I have been silenced by one of the mods here, and this time for doing nothing wrong.
    Here is my original; post:


    Unwarranted melodrama?
    Looks like you are asking for the opinion of someone who is opposed to Mir.
    Now I myself m not opposed to Mir but lets take a look at Marks commentary on the matter:


    The sky is not falling in.Really.Ubuntu is a group of people who get together with common purpose.




    Right and that common purpose is to force a standard that is mostly untested and untrusted by many developers.
    And with good reason, its a standard that you seem to want to force despite the issues it can cause.
    Like app incompatibility, video card incompatibility and sofourth.
    As an end user I am not interested in the inner politics of what i am using, but when those politics can cause issues is where I must draw the line.
    If my favorite app cannot run because you decided to pull the rug under its foot and I cant use it anymore, then what value is your system.
    We are not just talking about an interface here, but the thing that makes that interface work.
    Its like taking out a gullbladder, sure you can live without it but removing it can cause very big issues.


    How we achieve that purpose is up to us, and everyone has a say in what they can and will contribute.




    Well that is a core to open source, but steering your ship into uncharted waters can be dangerous and maybe even deadly.


    Canonical’s contribution is massive. It’s simply nonsense to say that Canonical gets ‘what it wants’ more than anybody else. Hell, half the time *I* don’t get exactly what I want. It just doesn’t work that way: lots of people work hard to the best of their abilities, the result is Ubuntu
    Yes but when Ubuntu suffers because of jump decisions it does not bode well for the OS.


    The combination of Canonical and community is what makes that amazing. There are lots of pure community distro’s. And wow, they are full of politics, spite, frustration, venality and disappointment. Why? Because people are people, and work is hard, and collaboration is even harder. That’s nothing to do with Canonical, and everything to do with life.




    Nonsense, Canonical is making these decisions without thinking of the consequences, its is forcing things like Mir onto us and no one is willing to take it as it can and will break without proper testing.
    Your company is making the same nonsense mistakes Microsoft is here, again by forcing a standard to an unready market.
    Last time this happened there was this little thing called windows 8, perhaps you heard of it?


    In fact, in most of the pure-community projects I’ve watched and participated in, the biggest meme is ‘if only we had someone that could do the heavy lifting’. Ubuntu has that in Canonical – and the combination of our joint efforts has become the most popular platform for Linux fans.
    Well the main reason why ubuntu got so popular is that it is very user friendly overall and works fair enough, but this decision to go Mir and all that can and will endanger us if we are not careful




    If you’ve done what you want for Ubuntu, then move on. That’s normal – there’s no need to poison the well behind you just because you want to try something else.


    Yes but we are not poisoning the well, its you who is doing that, again by forcing his untested system onto us.
    Canonical is all gung ho about Mir, and nobody else is.
    Juse because you are all hyped for it doesnt mean everyone will bend to you here.


    It’s also the case that we’ve shifted gear to leadership rather than integration.
    When we started, we said we wanted to deliver the best of open source on a cadence. It was up to KDE, GNOME, XFCE to define what that was going to look like, we would just integrate and deliver (a hard problem in itself). By 2009 I was convinced that none of the existing free software communities could create an experience that could challenge the existing proprietary leaders, and so, if we were serious about the dream of a free software norm, we would have to lead.The result is Unity, which is an experience that could become widely adopted across phones, tablets, PCs and other devices.




    In other words you needed to force others to accept your rules but when they went on their own you did your own thing.
    Fair enough.
    Bu its not up to the developers alone to keep up compatibility.
    Stuff needs to go both ways and you need to be understanding the needs of others sometimes


    Of course, that is a disruptive change, and has caused some members of existing communities to resent our work. I respect that others may prefer different experiences, so we remain willing to do a large (but not unlimited) amount of work to enable KDE, GNOME, and other DEs to thrive inside the broader Ubuntu umbrella. We also take steps to accommodate developers who want to support both Unity and another DE.




    Well thats a good thing however lets look at the most damning quote here:


    But if we want to get beyond being a platform for hobbyists,
    we need to accelerate the work on Unity to keep up with Android, Chrome, Windows and Apple. And that’s more important than taking care of the needs of those who don’t share our goal of a free software norm."




    And creating an unready, untested interface will do that?
    With this kind of statement you seem to have NO consideration for the end user.
    You seem not to give a darn about those of us who want to actually you know what to use our computers.
    In fact with moves like this your further isolate linux, you make it look like its this big complicated mess that only a high tech can understand.
    Mir is a major thing, you fail to realize how few are willing to adapt to it.
    You are relying on this thing that you have all your hopes for and i will stand and laugh when it all falls down.
    We have had many changes in the linux world yes but nothing that could so easily break linux like Mir.
    Mir is this tiny little spot on the map, it will take time to code it properly and make it work.
    But no we have to rush head on and not consider the consequences.
    Have we learned NOTHING for Microsofts attempts at a unifed system?
    Dont you see the sales figures falling like a stone, or Microsofts current finances?
    No, well read a newspaper sometime and call me back when you realize talk like this only damages things.
    And i thought the gnome developers were out of touch...


    And note: yes I know I said some contriversial things here, but they are in my honest opinion.
    So if I feel that Mark is being foolish for falling into the same trap that Microsoft has, well thats just my opinion.
    And really saying what he has makes it clear he has no clue on the possible issues that can rise because of it, seems very foolish no matter how you spin it.
    Go ahead ban me, block me, or whatever, if differing opinions are unwanted then i will simply go elsewhere.
    Just dont blame me when the walls fall down and you are all hearing complaints about how everything is reduced to a terminal and everyone either A: goes back to windows.
    Or B search for a better distro... Like Fedora for example.

    So lets go down the points and see how they might offend someon, but are actually not and howefield is abusing his power in this casew.
    Lets go down to the points shall we?


    Exhibit A:
    Right and that common purpose is to force a standard that is mostly untested and untrusted by many developers.
    And with good reason, its a standard that you seem to want to force despite the issues it can cause.
    Like app incompatibility, video card incompatibility and sofourth.
    As an end user I am not interested in the inner politics of what i am using, but when those politics can cause issues is where I must draw the line.
    If my favorite app cannot run because you decided to pull the rug under its foot and I cant use it anymore, then what value is your system.
    We are not just talking about an interface here, but the thing that makes that interface work.
    Its like taking out a gullbladder, sure you can live without it but removing it can cause very big issues.

    No offensive materials here, just my concerns over Mir


    Exhibit B:
    Well that is a core to open source, but steering your ship into uncharted waters can be dangerous and maybe even deadly.
    Again same result as above


    Exhibit C:
    Yes but when Ubuntu suffers because of jump decisions it does not bode well for the OS.

    Again I only list concerns, no insults.


    Exhibit D:
    Nonsense, Canonical is making these decisions without thinking of the consequences, its is forcing things like Mir onto us and no one is willing to take it as it can and will break without proper testing.
    Your company is making the same nonsense mistakes Microsoft is here, again by forcing a standard to an unready market.
    Last time this happened there was this little thing called windows 8, perhaps you heard of it?

    Okay here is where I get close to an insult, i called this whole scenario nonsense.
    And in my opinion, again OPINION it is nonsense.
    I think its a foolish mistake, there are no positive words to use here.
    One must take negative commentary as well as positive commentary, but i think howefield is abusing his stance as a mod.

    Exhibit E:
    Well the main reason why ubuntu got so popular is that it is very user friendly overall and works fair enough, but this decision to go Mir and all that can and will endanger us if we are not careful

    Again no insults

    Exhibit F:
    Yes but we are not poisoning the well, its you who is doing that, again by forcing his untested system onto us.
    Canonical is all gung ho about Mir, and nobody else is.
    Juse because you are all hyped for it doesnt mean everyone will bend to you here.

    Again me voicing my concerns over all this Mir thing.

    Exhibit G:
    In other words you needed to force others to accept your rules but when they went on their own you did your own thing.

    Fair enough.
    Bu its not up to the developers alone to keep up compatibility.
    Stuff needs to go both ways and you need to be understanding the needs of others sometimes

    Despite a small typo nothing wrong here.


    Well thats a good thing however lets look at the most damning quote here:

    Now here is whewre i think I got my infraction, for saying the word damning. I guess i will have to replace this with darning or something kid friendly as obviously we have 6 year olds here and thier virgin eyes cannot see such evil harsh language.
    Oh the humanity!

    Okay sarcasm I admit, but if you want me to rephrase just ask as opposed to downright blocking my post.

    Exhibit H
    And creating an unready, untested interface will do that?
    With this kind of statement you seem to have NO consideration for the end user.
    You seem not to give a darn about those of us who want to actually you know what to use our computers.
    In fact with moves like this your further isolate linux, you make it look like its this big complicated mess that only a high tech can understand.
    Mir is a major thing, you fail to realize how few are willing to adapt to it.
    You are relying on this thing that you have all your hopes for and i will stand and laugh when it all falls down.
    We have had many changes in the linux world yes but nothing that could so easily break linux like Mir.
    Mir is this tiny little spot on the map, it will take time to code it properly and make it work.
    But no we have to rush head on and not consider the consequences.
    Have we learned NOTHING for Microsofts attempts at a unifed system?
    Dont you see the sales figures falling like a stone, or Microsofts current finances?
    No, well read a newspaper sometime and call me back when you realize talk like this only damages things.
    And i thought the gnome developers were out of touch...


    Okay once again I come close to insultingm ,but not go all the way.
    Saying that Mark Shuttleworth is out of touch is more of a blanket statement, or the Gnome developers are out of touch is a blanket statement.
    Its a generalized statement not an insult.
    And yes it does seem that mark doesnt care about the end user with his statement, its very disconcerning from my perspective Mark thinks like this.
    Again I bring up the matter that these are my opinions, nothing more.
    If you feel I have insulted someone just tell me and I will correct it and you point out where I insulted someone.
    And yes I did say that what i said would be contrivserial, but wemust take all sides.
    howefield just waved his power at me, i did nothing wrong but state my opinions.


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    Re: Abuse of Power: howefield

    For the admins, the post produced above isn't the original post.

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2163246

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    Re: Abuse of Power: howefield

    Same evidence applies in my defense.
    Though yeah there are formatting issues i do apologize for.

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    Re: Abuse of Power: howefield

    You received a 1-point infraction for insulting another forum member. Specifically, you accused another member of "acting like a jerk". The fact that you subsequently edited out the insult just before the infraction was issued makes no difference. The edit log clearly shows it was visible for several minutes and I support the infraction.

    I have neither the time nor patience to go into the detail of the rest of your post, which reads like a prolonged rant bordering on trolling, but I will mention the title of this Resolution Centre thread. Accusing a member of the moderating staff of abuse of power is unacceptable. As is describing a moderator as "corrupt" in a private message. You appear to have grasped neither the specifics nor the spirit of the forum Code of Conduct to which you agreed when you created your forum account. With regard to posting here in the RC, it has this to say:

    Respect the Forum Staff: We provide a service in our free time to keep the forums running efficiently. We are all volunteers. Feedback is welcome in Forum Feedback & Help , this is also the place to request assistance with forum software issues. If you believe an error has been made in moderation or other staff actions, please post politely in the Resolution Center and help us understand your perspective.
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    Re: Abuse of Power: howefield

    Nope I am still calling it, I have rights that will not be silenced.
    This time i am standing up, I wont be intimidated anymore into silence.

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    Re: Abuse of Power: howefield

    Plus your case becomes heresay Coffeecat, I made an edit once i realized I made a slip.,
    But I self corrected, isnt that enough?

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    Re: Abuse of Power: howefield

    Quote Originally Posted by MadmanRB View Post
    Nope I am still calling it, I have rights that will not be silenced.
    This time i am standing up, I wont be intimidated anymore into silence.
    The only rights you have are those you agreed to when you created your account. The laws of your country do not apply.

    If you keep this in mind when posting, you shouldn't have a problem with the moderation team or anyone else:


    The purpose of the Ubuntu Forums is to provide support for Ubuntu. We also want this to be a place where community can develop and we can enjoy one another's company. To achieve this, we strive to maintain an atmosphere that can be enjoyed by all and we ask all members of the community to be respectful at all times. This means please use etiquette and politeness. Treat people with respect. If you do this, the rest of the code of conduct won't need more than a cursory mention.

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