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    The new version 14.04 LTS 'Trusty Tahr' needs no fake-PAE. Use forcepae in the standard installers

    The new version 14.04 LTS 'Trusty Tahr', needs no fake-PAE to work with Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs. Instead you use the boot option forcepae and boot from the standard desktop installer and alternate installer for 32-bit systems. I think Lubuntu and Xubuntu will work well in laptops with these CPUs. Xubuntu has a medium light desktop environment and Lubuntu has an ultra light desktop environment. Try both to find what is best for you.

    This is a detailed description how to use forcepae.

    Some processors need a non-pae kernel


    The vast majority of Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs are suitable for fakepae or forcepae and can work with PAE kernels. But some of these processors need a non-pae kernel also for new versions of Lubuntu. There are also other 'not too old' CPUs that lack PAE capability: Transmeta Crusoe and VIA processors around 1 GHz.

    Introduction

    PAE (Physical Address Extension) is explained here in details.

    Lubuntu-fake-PAE offers a method to install Lubuntu 13.10 into computers (mainly if not only laptops) with Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs. Most if not all of these CPUs have PAE capability, but show no PAE flag. This means that these machines can not use any Lubuntu versions after 12.04 and therefore, Lubuntu 12.10, 13.04 and 13.10 can not be installed and their kernels can not be upgraded, because the software is checking for the PAE flag. This can be fixed with fake-PAE, developed by Bernd Kreuss prof7bit and described in the Ubuntu Forums.

    There are many high-quality professional class laptops around with Pentium M CPUs, for example IBM Thinkpad T40, T41 and T42.

    Three methods are described to make the new Ubuntu family 32-bit PAE kernels available for Pentium M and Celeron M, that have PAE capability, but do not show the PAE flag.


    • Method to start from the Ubuntu 12.04 non-PAE mini-iso file described by mörgæs
    • 'grub-n-iso'
    • Installed system



    Lubuntu Fake-PAE described by sudodus

    The idea is to make it easier for people who want to go directly into a new version of Lubuntu. This is a good alternative for a fresh install (instead of downloading 12.04 and upgrading twice to newer releases).

    Right now the image files to download reside on these links

    google drive of Nio Wiklund alias sudodus -- link for 'all' files
    http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu-fake-pae -- fast and stable link for the big image files, thank you phillw

    Test

    Thank you!

    Helpful members of the Ubuntu and Lubuntu communities have found that fake-PAE works with almost all Celeron M and Pentium M, and the instructions have been improved.


    A Celeron M 1.2 GHz is maybe one year older than a tested Pentium M with 1.6 GHz (Banias) and maybe two years older than another Pentium M (Dothan) with 1.7 GHz. The newest Pentium M CPUs have the PAE flag, and need no fake-PAE. We have found out and need not guess from what we find at the internet, for example: here.


    Our test results so far for Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs suitable for fakePAE, 'No PAE flags but 36 bit physical memory address size':

    Code:
             ---- CPU name ----  -- CPUID Output of 'cpuid|grep ^00000001' --
    Lowest:  Celeron M 1200 Mhz  00000001 00000695 00000812 00000000 a7e9f9bf
             Celeron M 1300 MHz  00000001 00000695 00000812 00000000 a7e9f9bf
             Celeron M 1.40 GHz  00000001 00000695 00000816 00000180 a7e9f9bf
             Pentium M 1.50 GHz  00000001 000006d6 00000816 00000180 afe9f9bf
             Pentium M 1600 MHz  00000001 00000695 00000816 00000180 a7e9f9bf
             Pentium M 1.70 GHz  00000001 000006d6 00000816 00000180 afe9f9bf
             Pentium M 1.70 GHz  00000001 000006d6 00000816 00000180 afe9fbbf
    Highest: Pentium M 2.10 GHz  00000001 000006d6 00000816 00000180 afe9f9bf
    Your help and support was highly appreciated and needed.

    Our test results so far for Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs not suitable for fakePAE, 'No PAE flags and only 32 bit physical memory address size':

    Code:
             ---- CPU name ----  -- CPUID Output of 'cpuid|grep ^00000001' --
    Lowest:
             Pentium M 1200 Mhz  00000001 00000695 00000816 00000180 a7e9fbbf
    Highest:
    Your help and support is still highly appreciated and needed.

    If you are a new user, you can check the PAE capability in your own computer. Running Lubuntu 12.04 with a non-pae kernel
    Code:
    cat /proc/cpuinfo
    reports 32 bits physical address size for a tested computer with Pentium M, but running Lubuntu 13.10 and 14.04 LTS, it reports 36 bits physical address size. So you need the PAE kernel running to get 36 bits. If you don't get 36 bits with a PAE kernel, your CPU has no PAE capability.

    Details: CPU-info & OS-info

    The following screen shots were recorded in an IBM Thinkpad T42 and correspond to the information in the 'CPU-info & OS-info' link

    Lubuntu 12.04.2 with Pentium M
    and Lubuntu 13.04 with Pentium M

    From the feed-back so far, 'grub-n-iso' seems more popular than 'installed system'. Unless this changes, future versions of Lubuntu-fake-PAE will focus on 'grub-n-iso'.

    Checksums and signature

    Please use checksums to verify that the download was successful. There is a file md5sums.txt.asc for each of 'grub-n-iso' and 'installed system'. It contains the md5sums of the files to be downloaded, the instructions as well as the compressed image files (.img.gz files). This file is signed with gpg and you can verify it according to the following commands.
    Code:
    gpg --keyserver hkp://pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB0FC2C8
    gpg --verify md5sums.txt.asc
    The warning "This key is not certified with a trusted signature! There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner." means that there is no chain of trusted keys between your computer's keyring and the key, that was used to sign the checksums (the key of sudodus). Check that the text here and the output, when you verify it, match.
    Code:
    lubuntu@lubuntu:~/test/pae4pm/grub-n-iso$ gpg --keyserver hkp://pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB0FC2C8
    gpg: requesting key EB0FC2C8 from hkp server pgp.mit.edu
    gpg: /home/lubuntu/.gnupg/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created
    gpg: key EB0FC2C8: public key "Nio Sudden Wiklund (sudodus) <address@mailserver.com>" imported
    gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
    gpg: Total number processed: 1
    gpg:               imported: 1  (RSA: 1)
    lubuntu@lubuntu:~/test/pae4pm/grub-n-iso$ gpg --verify md5sums.txt.asc
    gpg: Signature made Sun 02 Jun 2013 10:20:57 AM UTC using RSA key ID EB0FC2C8
    gpg: Good signature from "Nio Sudden Wiklund (sudodus) <address@mailserver.com>"
    gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
    gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
    Primary key fingerprint: 0303 EA77 E34C 52F2 2958  47C6 BD43 C742 EB0F C2C8
    lubuntu@lubuntu:~/test/pae4pm/grub-n-iso$
    Then there is reason to trust that nobody else has written the checksums. The date of the signature will change at updates, and the text might be translated to your local language, but it should be clear that it is a 'Good signature from "Nio Sudden Wiklund (sudodus)"'.


    Method to start from the Ubuntu 12.04 non-PAE mini-iso file described by mörgæs

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE

    A variant of this method is that people who have


    • more or less personalized versions of Lubuntu 12.04 running, or
    • already have a Lubuntu 12.04 iso file and a slow internet connection


    use fake-PAE to upgrade to 12.10. 13.04 and/or 13.10.


    'grub-n-iso'

    Detailed description

    You find the detailed description at grub-n-iso

    Advantages


    • Similar to normal installation (via 1GB or 2GB USB drive)
    • No upgrading between versions is necessary
    • Full flexibility, for example to make a dual boot system
    • The official Lubuntu i386 desktop iso file is used, and can be checked with md5sum


    Code:
    5e85e368b6eaf1b9f5cf88467c6570f5  lubuntu-13.10-desktop-i386.iso
    according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes

    Disadvantages


    • You do not get a complete worḱing operating system directly
    • You need to install fake-pae using 7bit's ppa after the installation
    • It uses the desktop iso file, while the alternate iso file can install to systems with lower RAM.


    Warning

    This Lubuntu Raring 'grub-n-iso’ system is only intended for Pentium M and Celeron M, that have PAE capability but no PAE flag. We take no responsibility for any damage, that this software can cause.

    You find the detailed description at grub-n-iso


    Installed system

    Detailed description

    You find the detailed description at InstalledSystemFakePAE

    Advantages


    • No live install CD/DVD/USB drive is used
    • No upgrading between versions is necessary
    • You get a complete worḱing operating system directly


    Disadvantages


    • It is a different way to install a system
    • Lubuntu 13.04 installs into 16 GB (the first 16 GB of a drive)
    • Lubuntu 13.10 installs into 4 GB (the first 4 GB of a drive)
    • It is easier to use 'grub-n-iso' for a dual boot system

    This Lubuntu Raring 'installed system' can run with Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs. It has been tested from a USB 3 pendrive and from a hard disk drive. It uses the fake-PAE method of 7bit @ubuntuforums to let the 32-bit PAE kernel be updated with CPUs without a PAE flag.

    When running Lubuntu 12.04 with a non-pae kernel

    Code:
     cat /proc/cpuinfo
    reports 32 bits physical address size for my Pentium M, but when running Lubuntu 13.04 and 13.10, it reports 36 bits physical address size.

    So you need the pae kernel running to get 36 bits. If you don't get 36 bits with a pae kernel, your CPU has no PAE capability.

    Warning

    This Lubuntu Raring 'installed system' is only intended for Pentium M and Celeron M, that have PAE capability but no PAE flag. We take no responsibility for any damage, that this software can cause.

    You find the detailed description at InstalledSystemFakePAE

    Last edited by sudodus; June 1st, 2014 at 09:31 AM.

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    Re: Lubuntu-fake-PAE

    I installed the Saucy 32-bit daily build from a computer with PAE to a USB drive and could boot it in my IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M without any problems. It runs well as it is (and if I install fake-PAE I will also be able to update the kernel). See the attached picture
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    Re: Lubuntu-fake-PAE

    Two tests were added: shown in blue. For the first time a Pentium M CPU was found not suitable for fakePAE.

    Our test results so far for Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs suitable for fakePAE, 'No PAE flags but 36 bit physical memory address size':
    Code:
             ---- CPU name ----  -- CPUID Output of 'cpuid|grep ^00000001' --
    Lowest:  Celeron M 1200 Mhz  00000001 00000695 00000812 00000000 a7e9f9bf
             Celeron M 1300 MHz  00000001 00000695 00000812 00000000 a7e9f9bf 
             Celeron M 1.40 GHz
             Pentium M 1.50 GHz  00000001 000006d6 00000816 00000180 afe9f9bf
             Pentium M 1600 MHz  00000001 00000695 00000816 00000180 a7e9f9bf
    Highest: Pentium M 1.70 GHz  00000001 000006d6 00000816 00000180 afe9f9bf
    Our test results so far for Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs not suitable for fakePAE, 'No PAE flags and only 32 bit physical memory address size':

    Code:
             ---- CPU name ----  -- CPUID Output of 'cpuid|grep ^00000001' --
    Lowest:
             Pentium M 1200 Mhz  00000001 00000695 00000816 00000180 a7e9fbbf
    Highest:


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    Re: Lubuntu-fake-PAE

    Lubuntu Saucy works quite well now. Yes, of course there are still some bugs, but the overall experience is nice, partly due to zRAM, partly due to many improvements under the hood. We are getting ready for the end of life of XP in April 2014.


    An experimental alpha-2 version of Lubuntu Saucy can be installed on a drive with at least 4 GB. The drive is rather small, but there is enough space to test Saucy on your computer.

    I have made a compressed image for Lubuntu-fake-PAE Saucy Alpha-2 installed system, that can be downloaded and tested in any standard intel/amd computer, that can run 32-bit code (including Celeron M and Pentium M, but excluding pre Pentium 2 CPUs and UEFI systems).

    It can be downloaded according to this wiki page

    InstalledSystemFakePAE - Community Ubuntu Documentation

    and installed (running with superuser privileges)

    Code:
    zcat dd_saucy-a2-installed-system_4GB.img.gz | dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdx
    The Saucy alpha-2 version has fake-PAE and htop, and a simple touchpad-toggle 'TT'. It is too early to get touchpad-indicator and ubuntu-tweak. As long as there is free space, it is possible to update/upgrade the system. It will be a rough ride until the official release, but you can always re-install from the compressed image file.

    See this screenshot.

    dd_saucy-a2-installed-system_4GB.jpg800x600 | 50.9 KB

    Please check if you have the following bugs also after update/upgrade:


    1. The standard hotkeys PrintScreen and alt+PrintScreen for screenshots do not work, but the terminal command scrot works.
    2. Only a few of the alternatives at the top right corner of the log in screen work. Most of them are 'dead' now (some of those worked a few days ago).



    If you try it, let me know the result, good or bad! I'm happy to read about good results, but I learn more from the bad ones
    Last edited by sudodus; July 31st, 2013 at 08:41 AM.

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    Re: Lubuntu-fake-PAE

    Right now the image files to download reside on these links

    google drive of Nio Wiklund alias sudodus -- link for 'all' files, thank you Big Brother
    http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu-fake-pae -- fast and stable link for the big image files, thank you phillw

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    Re: Lubuntu-fake-PAE

    There are new image files for Lubuntu 13.10 Saucy Salamander to be downloaded.

    Code:
    Lubuntu-13.10-desktop-grub-n-iso.img.gz
    Lubuntu-13.10-desktop-grub-n-iso-n-swap.img.gz
    These images contain the Saucy i386 iso file

    Code:
     lubuntu-13.10-desktop-i386.iso
    See these links

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grub-n-iso
    Last edited by sudodus; October 23rd, 2013 at 03:51 PM.

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    Re: Lubuntu-fake-PAE

    There is new image file for Lubuntu 13.10 Saucy Salamander to be downloaded for the 'installed system' method.

    Code:
    dd-LubuSaucy-pae2pm-4GB.img.xz
    See these links

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...dSystemFakePAE

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    Re: Lubuntu-fake-PAE

    One test was added: shown in blue.
    Code:
             ---- CPU name ----  -- CPUID Output of 'cpuid|grep ^00000001' --
    Lowest:  Celeron M 1200 Mhz  00000001 00000695 00000812 00000000 a7e9f9bf
             Celeron M 1300 MHz  00000001 00000695 00000812 00000000 a7e9f9bf
             Celeron M 1.40 GHz  00000001 00000695 00000816 00000180 a7e9f9bf
             Pentium M 1.50 GHz  00000001 000006d6 00000816 00000180 afe9f9bf
             Pentium M 1600 MHz  00000001 00000695 00000816 00000180 a7e9f9bf
             Pentium M 1.70 GHz  00000001 000006d6 00000816 00000180 afe9f9bf
    Highest: Pentium M 2.10 GHz  00000001 000006d6 00000816 00000180 afe9f9bf

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    Re: Lubuntu-fake-PAE

    There is a new experimental tarball for the One Button Installer, 'OBI' of Lubuntu 13.10 with a non-pae kernel. You are welcome to test it, but beware, it is an early version, and you can expect that there are some problems.

    See this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...3#post12885903

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    Re: Lubuntu-fake-PAE

    News

    The new version Trusty Tahr, to become 14.04 LTS, needs no fake-PAE to work with Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs. Instead you use the boot option forcepae and boot from the standard desktop installer and alternate installer for 32-bit systems.
    Last edited by sudodus; April 18th, 2014 at 11:12 AM. Reason: See the next post for updated information

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