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    Question Can not boot any Grub options when trying to install using EFI.

    Hi all,

    Have recently taken an interest in EFI boot feature on newer systems.

    Had recently posted a similar question here but following the advice in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI at Chapter 1 Section 6 explains to post questions in this forum which i am doing in the hope to better the chances of getting a solution. Will post Boot Info Summary soon.

    The hardware being used is ga a75 ud4h motherboard which has a Tianocore based firmware using specification EFI 1.1. The intentions of making this system my first Ubuntu only machine evaporated after being made aware of EFI capabilities or at least Ubuntu's inability to install EFI mode on this hardware. Windows 8 was slightly easier to get booting and installing EFI mode after creating an USB with both UEFI and BIOS images/files to use as the downloaded ESD only had BIOS image when creating media. see http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...3-134a9f9ada87

    Using an Ubuntu 12.10 amd64 Desktop dvd on an EFI capable machine have black and white Grub boot options screen running in EFI mode. Selecting "Try Ubuntu without installing" or "Install Ubuntu" gives "can not read cd/0" and "the kernel needs to be loaded first" errors.
    Both .iso and burned disc md5 checksum are good.

    Trying latest release of other distros gives similar results. Trying booting newer and older flavours of Ubuntu gives similar results when booting EFI mode and trying any of the options available to boot to simply do not work.
    Dropping to grub command line and trying
    Code:
    search -f /vmlinuz
    or
    Code:
    search -f /sbin/init
    only confirms missing EFI files.
    **Update:** Can not repeat the results using those commands but do get similar output from using Code:

    Code:
    ls -l
    from grub prompt which gives


    This is intended to illiustrate the missing file error and hardware info is not accurate.
    A more recent Boot Info Summary can be found at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5707053/

    How to point grub to usable EFI files in order to boot "Try Ubuntu without installing?" or "Install Ubuntu?" or more simply "How to boot Ubuntu in EFI mode?."
    Last edited by Geezanansa; June 1st, 2013 at 06:47 PM.
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    Re: Can not boot any Grub options when trying to install using EFI.

    Can you confirm that your CD/DVD drive is working? If its not working then try USB drive.
    Do you have a GPT partitioned HDD?
    Have your created an EFI partition?
    Are you trying to Dual-Boot? If Windows is already there, then does it boot in UEFI?

    Let us see the output of BootInfo Script first and also the screenshot of your partitions.
    Do give us your computer hardware specifications.
    Last edited by fantab; May 27th, 2013 at 04:48 PM.
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    Re: Can not boot any Grub options when trying to install using EFI.

    1) Using USB and DVD media gives same results when booting EFI mode with Ubuntu installer.
    2 & 3) Windows installed EFI mode so drive is using GPT and there is a valid ESP.
    4) Yes due to Ubuntu's inability to install in EFI mode.
    5) Windows boots using UEFI.

    Have updated q with boot info script and some hardware specs.
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    Re: Can not boot any Grub options when trying to install using EFI.

    Your Windows is in 'Hibernate Mode', shut it down properly then try ubuntu DVD/USB.

    Quote Originally Posted by BootInfo Script
    Windows is hibernated, refused to mount. Failed to mount '/dev/sda3': Operation not permitted The NTFS partition is hibernated. Please resume and shutdown Windows properly
    Even this is an issue:
    Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk!
    It means your Partition Table is corrupt. But first get your PC to shutdown properly. And boot Ubuntu disk... if you still have problems then we'll try and fix the partition table.
    Last edited by fantab; May 27th, 2013 at 05:27 PM.
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    Re: Can not boot any Grub options when trying to install using EFI.

    1) Using USB and DVD media gives same results when booting EFI mode with Ubuntu installer.
    2 & 3) Windows installed EFI mode so drive is using GPT and there is a valid ESP.
    4) Yes due to Ubuntu's inability to install in EFI mode.
    5) Windows boots using UEFI.

    Have updated q with boot info script and some hardware specs.
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    Re: Can not boot any Grub options when trying to install using EFI.

    Sorry for double post.



    Referring to http://askubuntu.com/questions/22183...ndows-8-system - After making sure windows is shutdown rather than restarting as well as Fast Boot disabled from within Windows and then booting with Ubuntu DVD after getting to EFI mode grub screen options still do not boot anything and with same errors.

    Windows install has had chkdsk, sfc /scannow and checked for dirty bit. All appears to be well with windows install.

    Another Boot Info Script was generated after making sure Shutdown was selected before booting to Ubuntu DVD it can be found at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5707415 .


    Disconnecting the hard drive and then booting Ubuntu DVD EFI mode and selecting "Try Ubuntu" or "Check disk for defects" throws same errors as listed in question/first post. Another Boot Info Script was made - http://paste.ubuntu.com/5707699. Looking at this still gives - "Can't have a partition outside the disk!"
    Fantab said
    Even this is an issue:
    Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk!



    It means your Partition Table is corrupt.
    Referring to http://paste.ubuntu.com/5707699 when drive was disconnected and the other Boot Info Summaries; How could this be if there was no hard drive i.e. no partitions connected.?
    Last edited by Geezanansa; May 27th, 2013 at 11:11 PM. Reason: grammar
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    Wink Re: Can not boot any Grub options when trying to install using EFI.

    After rechecking windows power options disabled hybrid-sleep as part of the process of elimination to stop hibernation mode. All of which is after turning off Fast Start Up and making sure shutdown is used rather than restart as mentioned in earlier post.

    After trying to boot 13.04 64bit EFI mode - which it would not do so on this hardware i ran the installer in BIOS mode with machine setup for booting hdd and dvd EFI mode. (This is the manner how i have been getting tio live session in order to run boot-repair i.e. in BIOS mode.)
    I think this could have been contributing to the cause of the "can not have partition outside the disk" errors in boot-info-scripts.
    After which running boot-repair from live session resulted in fixing EFI boot files to the appropriate place.

    The 13.04 installer when running the "something else" option was very good at keeping me right for making a bios_grub partition and a swap partition.

    It would appear the way firmware is hardcoded to handle EFI files was picked up by installer and then boot-repair.

    So to recap simply installing Ubuntu BIOS mode to the disk where Windows 8 was EFI installed then running boot-repair's recommended repair fixed EFI boot for Ubuntu which now means that both OS's are booting using EFI mode and both are available to boot at boot time from grub list.

    The Boot-Info-Scipt that was generated after running boot-repair's recommended fix now reads like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5713889/ and
    Code:
    dmesg | grep EFI
    now returns several lines rather than the one single line after doing the same when booted in BIOS mode all of which confirms booting Ubuntu using EFI.
    fantabulous fantab soz

    Mission not quite accomplished yet as part of this systems firmware or EFI management does not provide an EFI shell as this is not part of the EFI specification. So to help manage this sytem i intend installing rEFInd and an EFI shell following the simple twelve step guide provided by the author of rEFInd and the very useful webpages found at http://www.rodsbooks.com/ all of which this webpage http://www.rodsbooks.com/gb-hybrid-efi/ has been a great source of useful and helpful information regarding booting Ubuntu on this type of firmware.
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    Re: Can not boot any Grub options when trying to install using EFI.

    Thought would post a boot-info-script that was generated when actually booting EFI mode which can be found http://paste.ubuntu.com/5714752/
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    Question Re: Can not boot any Grub options when trying to install using EFI.

    Now that i have a dual booting system booting using EFI it would be advantageous to be able to boot installation media EFI mode. After downloading the latest release of Parted Magic i get same errors as booting Ubuntu installation media so a working answer or an explanation of why the errors are thrown would be appreciated. i.e. How to boot Ubuntu installer EFI mode?
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    Re: Can not boot any Grub options when trying to install using EFI.

    Is UEFI/BIOS updated to the newest version from motherboard vendor?

    Some systems just do not install in UEFI mode, and the only work around has been to install in BIOS mode and convert after install as you did.

    Some need other boot parameters. UEFI writes hardware info differently than BIOS for systems to use. If UEFI is not current or writes something differently then different parameters may be needed than for a BIOS boot.

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
    http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Docum...parameters.txt
    noapic nolapic noapci noirqpoll nosmp irqpoll
    http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentat...parameters.txt
    Check BIOS for settings:
    try to boot with acpi=off or nomodeset=0 on the boot line
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
    UEFI boot install & repair info - Regularly Updated :
    https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
    Please use Thread Tools above first post to change to [Solved] when/if answered completely.

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