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    Re: Is it cruel to keep pets?

    In my country, Pets keep YOU!

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    Re: Is it cruel to keep pets?

    My wife caught a mouse once by luring it into a container with cereal. She made me drive her out to a field so she could release it. She didn't like it when I told her it would probably be eaten by an owl that night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paqman View Post
    I find the flexibility of the dog genome fascinating. The idea that lurking inside the genome of a wolf there is a chihuahua really does my head in. Being completely ignorant of the practicalities of genetics it does make me wonder: if one can selectively breed a wolf into a chihuahua is it at least theoretically possible to reverse the process? To selectively breed a wolf analogue from any species of dog?
    It's not quite correct to say that either the chihuahua lurks in the wolf or vice versa. Although they are basically the same genome, there are some differences due to mutation and selection over time. If you were to start from scratch again, without introducing genes from any contemporary dog, you wouldn't quite be able to re-breed the exact equivalent of today's chihuahua, because some of the mutations that got selected the first time would be unlikely to occur a second time. The same problem would happen in reverse. You'd probably not be able to re-breed the wolf again starting from nothing but chihuahuas, although you could probably get something pretty close.

    OTOH, there is a fascinating genetic diversity there, and some of that morphological diversity takes very few genes to express itself.

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    Dogs don't understand the concept of "pet" so I don't see a problem there.

    I do think keeping birds in cages is absolutely horrible though. Imagine being locked in a hotel room for the rest of your life - no matter how luxurious it was, it would be a nightmare.

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    Re: Is it cruel to keep pets?

    Depends if the hotel room has internet access :V

    THough seriously, I pretty much agree with you there; also, exotic pets, like lizards... it isn't always cruel, there are plenty of owners who take good care of them, but there is also a massive number of people who are simply unable to. I'm not talking about deliberate cruelty (I'm sure that's there, but cruelty is a constant where humans are involved), but just so many people don't have the4 ability to look after lizards and snakes; at least dogs and cats and other mammals have broadly recognisable body language - lizards are so different that you really need special training to look after them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eriktheblu View Post
    I would probably be dead.

    An intelligent species that values freedom would form an organized resistance. Common pets do not demonstrate that sort of behavior.
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    You might find this interesting on Moscow's street dogs:
    For every 300 Muscovites, there's a stray dog wandering the streets of Russia's capital. And according to Andrei Poyarkov, a researcher at the A.N. Severtsov Institute of Ecology and Evolution, the fierce pressure of urban living has driven the dogs to evolve wolf-like traits, increased intelligence, and even the ability to navigate the subway.

    Poyarkov has studied the dogs, which number about 35,000, for the last 30 years. Over that time, he observed the stray dog population lose the spotted coats, wagging tails, and friendliness that separate dogs from wolves, while at the same time evolving social structures and behaviors optimized to four ecological niches occupied by what Poyarkov calls guard dogs, scavengers, wild dogs, and beggars.
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    Re: Is it cruel to keep pets?

    Quote Originally Posted by Linuxratty View Post
    You might find this interesting on Moscow's street dogs:


    http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...mastery-subway
    Interesting article, seems like a dog eat dog world when left to fend for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by llanitedave View Post
    The same problem would happen in reverse. You'd probably not be able to re-breed the wolf again starting from nothing but chihuahuas, although you could probably get something pretty close.
    I suspected as much, hence wondering if you could create a wolf analogue ie: something wolf-like. It does make me wonder which other genomes are as plastic, and which are more fixed, and what is it about the evolution of wolves that led to them having such extraordinary potential?

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    Re: Is it cruel to keep pets?

    So true...There have been too many changes to ever go back,at least for the dog. I read somewhere the closest the dog will get to a wild state is a dingo like beastie. I've read cats revert to the wild in five generations.

    Carolina Dog
    (American Dingo)

    The Carolina Dog is a pariah dog. ("Pariah dog" is a general name in India for the half-reclaimed dogs that swarm in every village, owned by no one in particular, but ready to accompany any individual on a hunting expedition.) The Carolina Dog is one of the very few breeds existing today that is truly a primitive dog, a result of natural selection for survival in nature, and not of selective breeding. Wild specimens are still known, so this is not a completely domesticated canine. This dog that has survived as a free living animal in the swamps, savannahs, and forests of South Carolina and Georgia for thousands of years has also proven to be highly adaptable and amenable to domestication, and an excellent pet
    http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/caralinadog.htm
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