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    nvidia-current and its neighbour packages

    Lets make a short summary:

    • nvidia-current is on 304.84-0ubuntu2.
    • nvidia-current-updates is on 304.84-0ubuntu2.
    • Then we have nvidia-310-updates (as I know its the legacy version for the GeForce 6 and 7 chips).
    • But we have nvidia-313-updates too which doesn't provide any new legacy support as I know.


    This constelation gives some questions and some problems:

    • Why does we have nvidia-current and nvidia-current-updates (I remember one should be stable and the other beta but maybe this is wrong)?
    • nvidia-current and nvidia-current-updates are older than the newest legacy version. There is also a newer non-legacy version. This behavior makes it difficult to keep the system up to date with the newest version. To do so I will have to manually check if there is a new nvidia-xxx-updates version. The last time I remember such manual checks was on my Windows time.


    Does somebody know how this will continue in the future? Will nvidia-current[-updates] be the newest version again?

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    Re: nvidia-current and its neighbour packages

    according to the nvidia drivers page 304.84 is the latest that supports the 6 and 7 series gpu's the 310.xx supports series 8 and newer .
    if it ain't broke you haven't tweaked it enough

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    Re: nvidia-current and its neighbour packages

    Quote Originally Posted by Sworddragon View Post
    Lets make a short summary:

    • nvidia-current is on 304.84-0ubuntu2.
    • nvidia-current-updates is on 304.84-0ubuntu2.
    • Then we have nvidia-310-updates (as I know its the legacy version for the GeForce 6 and 7 chips).
    • But we have nvidia-313-updates too which doesn't provide any new legacy support as I know.


    This constelation gives some questions and some problems:

    • Why does we have nvidia-current and nvidia-current-updates (I remember one should be stable and the other beta but maybe this is wrong)?
    • nvidia-current and nvidia-current-updates are older than the newest legacy version. There is also a newer non-legacy version. This behavior makes it difficult to keep the system up to date with the newest version. To do so I will have to manually check if there is a new nvidia-xxx-updates version. The last time I remember such manual checks was on my Windows time.


    Does somebody know how this will continue in the future? Will nvidia-current[-updates] be the newest version again?
    Quote Originally Posted by ronacc View Post
    according to the nvidia drivers page 304.84 is the latest that supports the 6 and 7 series gpu's the 310.xx supports series 8 and newer .
    AFAIK, 304.x is for Legacy Chips (that would be me).

    Unless things have changed, trying to run 310.x is a no_go on Legacy Chips.

    Don't have any idea what 313.x entails, because it doesn't affect me.

    That said, all these various names mean nothing, in my mind. The method I use, to determine which version of 304.x to use is totally based on the changelog. I'm running the latest everything (nVidia drivers aside) on ancient iron, and if the changelog doesn't indicate that it will work with my current setup, I'm content to use somewhat stale nVidia drivers.

    As of today, I'm running:

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    vindsl@Zuul:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-304
      Installed: 304.84-0ubuntu2
      Candidate: 304.84-0ubuntu2
      Version table:
     *** 304.84-0ubuntu2 0
            500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring/restricted i386 Packages
            500 http://samaritan.ucmerced.edu/ubuntu/ raring/restricted i386 Packages
            100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
    vindsl@Zuul:~$
    Been working great, on this rig.

    nvidia-current et al. hasn't worked on this machine, in quite a while...

    Code:
    ~ VinDSL Unity Debug Script 12.12.06 (vindsl.com) ~
    Current Date/Time: Fri Mar 29 15:30:53 MST 2013
    Distro Release: Ubuntu Raring Ringtail (development branch)
    Kernel Release: Linux 3.9.0-030900rc4-generic
    Gnome Release: GNOME Shell 3.8.0.1
    Unity Release: unity 6.6.0
    
    OpenGL vendor string:   NVIDIA Corporation
    OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7600 GT/AGP/SSE2
    OpenGL version string:  2.1.2 NVIDIA 304.84
    
    Not software rendered:    yes
    Not blacklisted:          yes
    GLX fbconfig:             yes
    GLX texture from pixmap:  yes
    GL npot or rect textures: yes
    GL vertex program:        yes
    GL fragment program:      yes
    GL vertex buffer object:  yes
    GL framebuffer object:    yes
    GL version is 1.4+:       yes
    
    Unity 3D supported:       yes
    
    Package: mesa-utils
    Status: install ok installed
    Priority: optional
    Section: x11
    Installed-Size: 106
    Maintainer: Ubuntu X-SWAT <ubuntu-x@lists.ubuntu.com>
    Architecture: i386
    Source: mesa-demos
    Version: 8.0.1+git20110129+d8f7d6b-0ubuntu2+edgers
    Replaces: xbase-clients (<< 6.8.2-38)
    Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libx11-6
    Description: Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities
     This package provides several basic GL utilities built by Mesa, including
     glxinfo and glxgears.
    Homepage: http://mesa3d.sourceforge.net/
    
    Xserver Xorg Core Branch:
      Installed: 2:1.13.3-0ubuntu4
    
    Tree Map of PCI Devices:
    -[0000:00]-+-00.0  Intel Corporation 82875P/E7210 Memory Controller Hub
               +-01.0-[01]----00.0  NVIDIA Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GT]
               +-06.0  Intel Corporation 82875P/E7210 Processor to I/O Memory Interface
               +-1d.0  Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #1
               +-1d.1  Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #2
               +-1d.2  Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #3
               +-1d.3  Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #4
               +-1d.7  Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 EHCI Controller
               +-1e.0-[02]----0c.0  Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX
               +-1f.0  Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge
               +-1f.2  Intel Corporation 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller
               +-1f.3  Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller
               \-1f.5  Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller
    
    Display Properties:
     lcd monitor:    Dell UltraSharp 1907FP (analog input)
      dimensions:    1280x1024 pixels (339x271 millimeters)
      resolution:    96x96 dots per inch
    Will this continue in the future?!?!?

    My *guess* is yes.
    Last edited by VinDSL; March 29th, 2013 at 11:43 PM. Reason: Clarification
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    Re: nvidia-current and its neighbour packages

    Use synaptic, read the various package descriptions, (11 for 3.xx), ect. & maybe it'll make some sense.
    (barely does here - I'm going to interpret that nvidia-current* is history, (transitional), & packages will be named more directly
    During dev the -updates packages always match the non -updates (ie, nvidia-310, nvidia-310-updates

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    Re: nvidia-current and its neighbour packages

    Quote Originally Posted by mc4man View Post
    I'm going to interpret that nvidia-current* is history [...]
    As in... toast?
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    Re: nvidia-current and its neighbour packages

    Quote Originally Posted by VinDSL View Post
    As in... toast?
    Yep, but *may* be around for a while if needed for upgraders, no clue here, did an upgrade once, decided never to revisit.

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    Re: nvidia-current and its neighbour packages

    Quote Originally Posted by mc4man View Post
    (barely does here - I'm going to interpret that nvidia-current* is history, (transitional), & packages will be named more directly
    During dev the -updates packages always match the non -updates (ie, nvidia-310, nvidia-310-updates
    In this case it would make sense if we would have a meta package that points to the newest version.

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    Re: nvidia-current and its neighbour packages

    Quote Originally Posted by mc4man View Post
    Use synaptic, read the various package descriptions, (11 for 3.xx), ect. & maybe it'll make some sense.
    (barely does here - I'm going to interpret that nvidia-current* is history, (transitional), & packages will be named more directly
    During dev the -updates packages always match the non -updates (ie, nvidia-310, nvidia-310-updates
    The package descriptions really aren't that much help - the 173 description says 'for series 5 - 9". The descriptions for 304, 310 and 313 are identical, and say '6 or newer". The -updates packages show the same description. It's hard to know really what it all means from the package descriptions.

    I have a series 8 card (GeForce 8500 GT). The 304 drivers appear to work fine, but don't allow me access to VT's. The 310 drivers work fine, and DO allow VT's. Haven't tried 313.
    Last edited by sgage; March 30th, 2013 at 02:47 PM.

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    Re: nvidia-current and its neighbour packages

    the best and safest way to figure out which driver is right for your card is to check at nvidia .
    if it ain't broke you haven't tweaked it enough

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    Re: nvidia-current and its neighbour packages

    Quote Originally Posted by ronacc View Post
    the best and safest way to figure out which driver is right for your card is to check at nvidia .
    Agreed! However...

    I remember when 310 hit the bricks, the nVidia site listed my nVidia 7600GT AGP as certified/approved. LoL!

    I installed 310 three times (no kidding) before realizing something was amiss -- took a few days for the official nVidia site to come up with an accurate list of legacy chipsets.

    Just saying...
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