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    How to backup a brand new ultrabook with win8+hybrid ssd?

    Hello all,

    This is my first post here. I've been using ubuntu since 6.0 and I can't go back to windows anymore
    I just bought a brand new samsung NP540U (500GB HD+24GB ssd) with windows8 already installed.
    I've already read few posts regarding installing and configuring thee disk.
    Since I'm not sure I can successfuly make a dual boot, I would like to know if there is a good way to backup things from the harddrive.
    There are few partitions :windows, recovery, efi, unknown on ssd...
    What would be the best way to backup things if I want to restore it as it was from the shop?

    I'm currently backuping the whole disk (sda+sdb) with clonezilla, but will it be useful later? Can I recover partition this way?
    What about the raid between the HD and the SSD. Many posts says that the first thing is to remove it, so how can it be backuped/restored? Will the full disk clonezilla image sufficient?

    Thanks for your help As soon as I know how to proceed in a safe way, I can get rid of windows 8 (which I find even worst than other previous windows version).

    Regards,

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    Re: How to backup a brand new ultrabook with win8+hybrid ssd?

    Welcome to the Ubuntu Forums

    I'm using Clonezilla too, and it can backup whole drives, but I would check it with new kinds of partition tables, at least check at the Clonezilla web site, but ideally perform a restore operation to another drive and try to run your computer from that drive.

    Another method, that will definitely work, is to make a clone or image with dd. This is a very powerful but also very risky tool. It is nicknamed 'data destroyer', because a small mistake will destroy the data on a drive beyond recovery. There is no double-checking ...

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    Re: How to backup a brand new ultrabook with win8+hybrid ssd?

    Welcome to the Ubuntu Forums
    Thanks for your quick answer and warm welcome!
    but I would check it with new kinds of partition tables
    Yes, I'm also trying to find info regarding the new partition tables.
    I'm a bit lost with those new GPT, secure boot, UEFI stuffs. It was much easier before and it seems this complexity is just driven by big companies (m$oft) to prevent easy installation of alternative os. (another good reason to dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/windows8)

    Another method, that will definitely work, is to make a clone or image with dd
    Yes, I will also try to make a copy with DD to an iso file but I'm not sure if it is sufficient. For example If I clone the samsung recovery partition and later restore it, how should it be restored? Same place on the drive? How does the F4 recovery option at boot will find back the partition (by its name or position?)
    Also not sure it the recovery partition is enough to restore the raid on the disk and other partitioning...
    Anyone else a suggestion?

    Regards,
    Last edited by balthus666; March 27th, 2013 at 06:43 PM.

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    Re: How to backup a brand new ultrabook with win8+hybrid ssd?

    Quote Originally Posted by balthus666 View Post
    Thanks for your quick answer and warm welcome!

    Yes, I'm also trying to find info regarding the new partition tables.
    I'm a bit lost with those new GPT, secure boot, UEFI stuffs. It was much easier before and it seems this complexity is just driven by big companies (m$oft) to prevent easy installation of alternative os. (another good reason to dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/windows8)

    Yes, I will also try to make a copy with DD to an iso file but I'm not sure if it is sufficient. For example If I clone the samsung recovery partition and later restore it, how should it be restored? Same place on the drive? How does the F4 recovery option at boot will find back the partition (by its name or position?)
    Also not sure it the recovery partition is enough to restore the raid on the disk and other partitioning...
    Anyone else a suggestion?

    Regards,
    You know dd already, so use it for the whole drive (or each drive). I have done it several times, and restored successfully.

    Code:
    sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdx bs=4096
    will clone the drive sda to another drive of at least the same size.

    Code:
    sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=4096 | gzip > dd-sda.gz
    will make a compressed image of the drive sda. During the these dd operations, partitions of the drives should not be mounted.

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    Re: How to backup a brand new ultrabook with win8+hybrid ssd?

    These tools say they backup Windows 8.
    The vendor recovery DVDs are just an image of your drive as purchased. If you have housecleaned a lot of cruft normally included, run many updates with many reboots, and added software you may want a full back up.
    Backup windows before install - post by Mark Phelps
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2040149
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1626990
    http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.asp
    Another suggestion by srs5694
    http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm

    I would also make a Windows 8 repair flash drive.

    Windows 8 UEFI repair USB must be FAT32
    http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html
    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/For...-166dddf32205/
    http://www.ghacks.net/2012/11/01/how...m-repair-disc/

    Windows has specific partition requirements. I might document your exact configuration with BootInfo report from Boot-Repair and save that to another backup drive.

    Microsoft suggested partitions including reserved partition for gpt & UEFI:
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...8WS.10%29.aspx
    Older Windows info on gpt - 2008 updated 2011
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/wind.../gg463525.aspx
    Windows technical info on gpt and GUIDs
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/wi...sktop/aa365449
    Order on drive is important:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microso...rved_Partition
    Windows 8 info
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh824947.aspx


    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Info

    For info on UEFI boot install & repair:
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
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    Re: How to backup a brand new ultrabook with win8+hybrid ssd?

    Wow, thanks for the link. Lot of intersting links, but I don't think I will pay for some windows product to backup
    I prefer to follow the penguin free way
    Here is the content of the disk:
    http://paste.ubuntu.com/5653179

    I didn't know that tool but really nice to share info to ppl.
    So far I have cloned with clonezilla the full disk and also a second backup with each partitions.
    I've also backup the gpt table with boot-repair to an external usb I
    So I think I can try to make some space and install ubuntu
    Thanks for the help!

    Regards

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    Re: How to backup a brand new ultrabook with win8+hybrid ssd?

    Hello,
    Some news regarding the installation.
    I've scrapped the windows 8 partition, kept the 2 recovery partition, deleted the 2 partitions of the ssd, install ubuntu as described on this page:
    http://schoolsplay.wordpress.com/201...book-with-ssd/

    Installation was very easy and smooth. So far, everything works fine (except the gnome-classic mode which doesn't show the window decoration, except if I use the safe mode).
    Happy with my new notebook.
    Pro: Ubuntu seems happy, nice design, Function keys (F1...F12) instead of stupid alternative controls, touch screen (but i don't find it so useful), keyboard feeling is great.
    CON: The resolution is still 1368x768 could have been a bit higher,
    glossy screen.
    Dunno what to do with the recovery partition (around 40GB lost) Can it be dropped and recovered later? (even not sure I would use win 8)

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    Re: How to backup a brand new ultrabook with win8+hybrid ssd?

    Quote Originally Posted by balthus666 View Post
    Hello,
    Some news regarding the installation.
    I've scrapped the windows 8 partition, kept the 2 recovery partition, deleted the 2 partitions of the ssd, install ubuntu as described on this page:
    http://schoolsplay.wordpress.com/201...book-with-ssd/

    Installation was very easy and smooth. So far, everything works fine (except the gnome-classic mode which doesn't show the window decoration, except if I use the safe mode).
    Happy with my new notebook.
    Pro: Ubuntu seems happy, nice design, Function keys (F1...F12) instead of stupid alternative controls, touch screen (but i don't find it so useful), keyboard feeling is great.
    CON: The resolution is still 1368x768 could have been a bit higher,
    glossy screen.
    Please post the specs of the graphics card/chip and the native resolution of the screen!
    Dunno what to do with the recovery partition (around 40GB lost) Can it be dropped and recovered later? (even not sure I would use win 8)
    Did you make a full backup of the drive before installing Ubuntu? In that case you need not keep the recovery partition on the internal drive. Otherwise, back it up before re-using the space!

    You can make a data partition, where you keep photos etc, or you can make a test partition, where you install other distros of linux (in particular: versions and flavours of Ubuntu). Actually, 12GB is plenty of space to test-install linux.

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