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    New Unity, whitelist disabled = bad

    Anyone else notice multiple missing systray icons now that they've disabled the whitelist feature for the Unity notification area?

    I have the latest sni-qt installed, but ktorrent's gone, truecrypt's gone, etc...

    I don't think Canonical could have even thought of a better way to get me to go try Gnome3 and KDE again.

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    Re: New Unity, whitelist disabled = bad

    OMG, that is a disastrous decision!

    I have a couple of applications (such as SpiderOak) that require the systray to work properly. Some vital functions are simply unavailable without it.

    How do we raise this as a bug? It must be addressed.
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    Re: New Unity, whitelist disabled = bad

    reporting from that page might be the better place

    https://launchpad.net/ayatana

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    Re: New Unity, whitelist disabled = bad

    Thank you, I have reported it.

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-ubuntu/+bug/1119420

    Please go there and vote for the bug (click the green writing at the top left of the page), and add your comments if applicable.
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    Re: New Unity, whitelist disabled = bad

    I voted for your bug and added my own experience. If people can show enough cases where the apps are not likely to ever get native notification support, perhaps they will reconsider the decision.

    In the meantime, the message tray in Gnome 3 has already reminded me of why I don't use it. I'm off to KDE-land for a bit.

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    Thanks, I see there are already four votes for the bug.

    Your comment about TrueCrypt is correct; I had forgotten about that point.

    I can't think what Canonical was thinking in removing the white list!
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    Re: New Unity, whitelist disabled = bad

    KDE apps should be working, please file that as a bug (the indicators are based on KDE technology, most of the reason for moving to indicators was for a common spec that can be shared.)

    Java and Wine apps are whitelisted and should work, as for the rest, the systray has been deprecated since 10.04 and left in for 3 years for apps to catch up.

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    Re: New Unity, whitelist disabled = bad

    Quote Originally Posted by castrojo View Post
    KDE apps should be working, please file that as a bug
    Shouldn't that comment simply be added to the existing bug?

    Quote Originally Posted by castrojo View Post
    Java and Wine apps are whitelisted and should work, as for the rest, the systray has been deprecated since 10.04 and left in for 3 years for apps to catch up.
    Unfortunately, that is not a satisfactory answer. Many applications use the systray — this is a standard feature in Linux and Windows; I don't know about Mac. (I notice that Skype is still white listed.)

    For Unity to be useful, it has to work with applications that are established, respected and popular. SpiderOak and TrueCrypt are but two of them (I run four others).

    I love Unity and would absolutely hate to have to leave it. But are you saying that the panel is going to be discarded ("the systray has been deprecated since 10.04")? Where will the various indicators go — clock, unified mail, Internet, settings, users? They are still there in 13.04. Will they be moved somewhere else in 13.10?
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    Re: New Unity, whitelist disabled = bad

    As "the systray has been deprecated since 10.04 and left in for 3 years for apps to catch up"; then we might report that issue against each app still needing the systray to take care of the actual design.

    note: i've updated the report with the Castrojo comments above (thanks to refresh our mind)
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    Re: New Unity, whitelist disabled = bad

    Quote Originally Posted by dino99 View Post
    then we might report that issue against each app still needing the systray to take care of the actual design.
    Yep, here's an example:

    - https://getsatisfaction.com/wakoopa/...tion_indicator

    And here's a list of topics links with resources you can send developers to:

    - http://askubuntu.com/questions/16453...-appindicators

    The appindicators have a fallback so it's simple for app authors to support them without breaking older distros.

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