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    Xserver-xorg or just Xorg?

    I am running without a display manager (using startx) and xorg package installed, works fine.

    I also run a virtual machine (a pretty bare install) using just the package xserver-xorg. Which also seems to work fine.

    So the question is:
    Can I use just the package xserver-xorg in the real world (desktop installed) or will I miss the extra packages that comes with the xorg package?

    If you wonder why I want to do this, its just part of the never ending quest for minimal everything

    EDIT: I guess I should mention that I run metacity only, no compiz installed.
    Last edited by ibjsb4; October 26th, 2013 at 03:33 PM.

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    Re: Xserver-xorg or just Xorg?

    You need a minimal window manager. I'm like you - I run fvwm as my WM. No need to worry about which X packages are pulled in, the dependencies will handle that for you.

    Take a look at the starts script - educational, it is.

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    Re: Xserver-xorg or just Xorg?

    xserver-xorg has a huge list of dependencies. Without repackaging, I don't see how you could reduce them. If you want minimal X-Windows, look at http://tinycorelinux.net/welcome.html and how they handle a minimal X-server.

    tgalati4@Mint14-Extensa ~ $ apt-cache depends xserver-xorg
    xserver-xorg
    Depends: xserver-xorg-core
    |Depends: xserver-xorg-video-all
    Depends: <xorg-driver-video>
    fglrx
    fglrx-updates
    nvidia-173
    nvidia-173-updates
    nvidia-current
    nvidia-current-updates
    nvidia-experimental-304
    nvidia-experimental-310
    virtualbox-guest-x11
    xserver-xorg-video-ati
    xserver-xorg-video-cirrus
    xserver-xorg-video-dummy
    xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
    xserver-xorg-video-intel
    xserver-xorg-video-mach64
    xserver-xorg-video-mga
    xserver-xorg-video-modesetting
    xserver-xorg-video-neomagic
    xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
    xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
    xserver-xorg-video-qxl
    xserver-xorg-video-r128
    xserver-xorg-video-radeon
    xserver-xorg-video-s3
    xserver-xorg-video-savage
    xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion
    xserver-xorg-video-sis
    xserver-xorg-video-sisusb
    xserver-xorg-video-tdfx
    xserver-xorg-video-trident
    xserver-xorg-video-vesa
    xserver-xorg-video-vmware
    |Depends: xserver-xorg-input-all
    Depends: <xorg-driver-input>
    xserver-xorg-input-acecad
    xserver-xorg-input-aiptek
    xserver-xorg-input-elographics
    xserver-xorg-input-evdev
    xserver-xorg-input-joystick
    xserver-xorg-input-kbd
    xserver-xorg-input-mouse
    xserver-xorg-input-mtrack
    xserver-xorg-input-multitouch
    xserver-xorg-input-mutouch
    xserver-xorg-input-penmount
    xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
    xserver-xorg-input-tslib
    xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse
    xserver-xorg-input-void
    xserver-xorg-input-wacom
    Depends: xserver-xorg-input-evdev
    Depends: libc6
    Depends: xkb-data
    Depends: x11-xkb-utils
    Recommends: libgl1-mesa-dri
    Conflicts: xserver-xorg:i386
    Last edited by tgalati4; October 28th, 2013 at 12:56 AM.
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    Re: Xserver-xorg or just Xorg?

    +1 on TinyCore. I'm with @tgalati4. Use it all the time for my online banking and brokerage access VM. 12MB for a working OS with a GUI. They have 3 versions:
    * no GUI - about 4M
    * minimal GUI w/browser - 12M
    * GUI w/popular browser and common tools - 64M

    Definitely good for a quick need, but lacking in infrastructure software things that even I want on a daily use machine. OTOH, TinyCore is FAST on any machine - don't think we could tell the difference in speed between a Pentium4 and a Core i7.

    I know that IBM started with TinyCore as the base for a remote computing desktop project for about 10K people too. Can't recall if they used NX, Spice, VNC, RDP or something else as the main protocol.

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    Re: Xserver-xorg or just Xorg?

    Yes, I will have to research how tinycore builds X. I realize that I am basically just reinventing the wheel, but this is something I like to do

    The little bit of research I have done on this, indicates that I could just install xserver-xorg-core and build up from there.

    I haven't look at those start scripts yet, home work is piling up

    This is going to take a few weeks, depending on how many times this little project gets shove off to the back burner. So expect another post in a few weeks.

    Thank you both

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    Re: Xserver-xorg or just Xorg?

    CorePlus 5.0 is 74+ megs now. I never thought of using in a VM. I think I will try it.
    Installing apps is a bit odd compared to apt-get, but its small size and speed make up the difference.
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