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    Re: Discussion - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs

    Hi all,

    The selling of the NewDocs Wiki concept to the Users in the Forums I am finding to be a long and slow process.

    Perhaps I am trying too hard as I consider NewDocs will prove it's worth in the long term.

    I was wondering if I was to change the word "Community" on the first page of the Wiki to "Ubuntu" whether this would be of more general appeal to the masses, and thus more readily acceptable.

    I prefer to be guided by an official viewpoint in this regard.

    With Kind Regards,

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    Edit : Of course "Community Help Wiki" would remain on the page.
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    Re: Discussion - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs

    Hi all,

    I have decided to change "Community" for "Ubuntu", at least for now.
    As "Community Help Wiki" remains in the orange header, I personally consider that is enough. If it is preferred to use "Community", I will change it back.


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    Re: Discussion - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs

    Hi all,

    In case you haven't seen them, I produce the comments of nine individuals regarding NewDocs -

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...7&postcount=23

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...86&postcount=4

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...96&postcount=7

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...34&postcount=4

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...1&postcount=19

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...5&postcount=30

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...8&postcount=33

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...0&postcount=35

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...4&postcount=36


    I am at the stage where I will welcome input from others as to the best way to go forward with NewDocs. I still have quite a few thoughts on how the Wiki should be structured from now on. To avoid clogging up individual posts, the suggestions I have would best be met in smaller proportions.

    I may as well mention one concern at least on this post. That is whether I am clogging up the "Alterations" page too much. I added a further line this morning. -
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AlterationsToNewDocs

    The added line was this one -
    "If you take that action, please advise BlinkinCat so that the situation can be monitored."

    This was one way of handling an awkward situation when Tags were applied to a page. In NewDocs as far as I can see, tagged pages would need to be monitored to see when they eventually were removed from TitleIndex. They then could be removed from NewDocs manually.

    With kind regards,
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    Last edited by BlinkinCat; February 24th, 2013 at 07:37 PM. Reason: Added Further Information.
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    Re: Discussion - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs

    Couple of points.
    I assume it is not limited to one post as in the Forums,
    You can edit the wiki as much as you want - but bear in mind that if someone else is doing so and you try, your changes will need to be redone - though generally you get an option to revert to last draft.

    REading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AlterationsToNewDocs it appears that you think that the only one who can edit the page is you. Anyone can edit the wiki - they can add things, they can change what you've done, they can remove what you've done and replace it - that's the good thing about wiki - anyone can edit them.

    You might find it easier to sort out the changes you want to make to the page - offline in a text editor and then apply them all in one go - the wiki can be a bit like walking through molasses at times.

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    Re: Discussion - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfy View Post

    REading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AlterationsToNewDocs it appears that you think that the only one who can edit the page is you. Anyone can edit the wiki - they can add things, they can change what you've done, they can remove what you've done and replace it - that's the good thing about wiki - anyone can edit them. .
    Hi and thanks Elfy,

    No I certainly didn't think that, I realize anyone can edit the Wiki - I was actually meaning it as a question on that page - whether my adjustment was any good or not. Other suggestions I have I expected some input from others as to the best way to tackle a number of problems as I see them - I thought some discussion would be a good thing.

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    Re: Discussion - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs

    The Case For Allowing BlinkinCat To Engage In The NewDocs Project.

    I fully appreciate and understand that a Wiki will always remain a community project however as I have worked so closely with NewDocs, I have a close affinity with it.

    1. First and foremost, a working Wiki needs to be created. Other than my contribution to the project, to this time there has not been any other input into the project other than several recommendations and suggestions that have been implemented. In response to a post by Sef I acknowledged this.

    2. At this stage, as far as I can recall, there have been only favorable comments made, other than one voice of dissension which did not stand up to a reasonable point of view.

    3. I maintain that at the present time, the Wiki is workable.

    4. Input by others to improve the Wiki is welcomed.

    5. I have a working knowledge of the current Wiki structure.

    6. I am willing to make time available to participate in updating.

    7. I am prepared to contribute to the Alteration Page which requires regular attention.

    8. I am willing to update the Wiki pages at the time that advice is given that a page should be listed on NewDocs. (At present via PM)

    9. In the situation where Titles on TitleIndex are tagged, regular monitoring of the situation is required, as NewDocs requires manual updating. I am willing to contribute in this area.

    10. The Alteration Page has been updated again - the latest copy is here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AlterationsToNewDocs

    11. I await comments or discussion regarding the points listed, or any other aspects regarding the Wiki that need clarification.

    With Kind Regards,
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    Edit : It was remiss of me not to mention that it was Elfy who first introduced me to TitleIndex.
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    Re: Discussion - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs

    The Case For Monthly Updating Of Newdocs.

    1. Although a potential new page for listing in NewDocs may be made at anytime during the month, I believe it is important to only include the addition to NewDocs at one regular time.

    2. I have made the suggestion that this may be best done on the First of the month (or close to that time).

    3. It is feasible that there may eventually be users who maintain a printout of the alphabetical pages of NewDocs so that they can offer advice to end users. This may be considered to be more convenient than looking up a page in NewDocs each and every time they have a query to be answered.

    4. The printable layout for the Alphabetical pages of NewDocs I suggest is good.

    5. For those maintainers, it will be important that the NewDocs listing is accurate. For example if an inaccurate page is recommended by the maintainer of the listing, the end user only ends up with a page that bears no semblance to what it should be.

    6. It is a comparatively easy matter to only printout those alphabetical pages that have been altered once monthly.

    7. A maintainer only needs to check in the "Alterations" page monthly to find out which pages need to be printed out.

    8. By all means come up with any feedback or alternatives to this method of maintaining accurate NewDocs pages.

    With kind regards,
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    EDIT: The suggestions made in this post have since been revised.
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    Re: Discussion - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs

    Hi all,

    Possible Improvements to the NewDocs Listing.

    1. There is little doubt in my mind that NewDocs could function as well as it does now with several hundred more pages in the listing.

    2. It remains to be seen what would be the best method of adding to the listing.

    3. The attempt to get NewDocs better-known in the Cafe proved to be an unmitigated disaster.(Other than obtaining 6 or 7 keen users - there may well be quite a few more - but they were not made public.)

    4. As I have done, an attempt can be made to update the pages manually by trying to select pages from the 4,000 TitleIndex pages.

    5. I consider this method now to be rather crude, as it depends on the qualifications of the chooser.

    6. I believe that it best depends on the end-user to advise of potential new pages.

    7. As at the moment there are so few users of NewDocs, this is a very poor method of improving the situation. Monthly improvements just won't come with this situation.

    8. I would like to suggest that a Sticky be created in the General Help or Beginners Forum with a simple message extolling the virtues of NewDocs.

    9. Any other suggestions are welcome.

    With kind regards,
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    EDIT: The suggestions made in this post have since been revised.
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    Re: Discussion - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs

    Hi all,

    We are drawing closer to the end of the month. To any users out there who know of any TitleIndex page that has not yet been listed on NewDocs that should be there, contact me via the link in the Alterations Page.

    At this stage there will be six additions, one of which, "Ubuntu Forums" will be entered twice, once under "U" and once under "F".

    With kind regards,
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    Re: Discussion - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs

    Hi all,

    Would you consider putting NewDocs in your signature ? See mine as a possible example.

    I am not asking you to include it as your sole item in your sig, but perhaps you can include it with another app. A well known Moderator has the Link in his.

    Newdocs is a very efficient means to search for Alphabetical Ubuntu Documentation, returning between 85 - 90 percent of pages in a very short time. As user numbers climb, even more pages will be available.

    Find NewDocs here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs

    The alternative is TitleIndex, which even though it lists the total number of pages, takes between 20 to 28 seconds to initially load and is very awkward to navigate. TitleIndex has a link on the front of NewDocs which may be used in the rare times that you can't find your page on NewDocs.

    I suggest that you have a play with NewDocs to see how good it is, and note how much information is available to you.

    I intend to compile a list of users who have NewDocs in their signature. To add your user name to that list, contact me via the Contact Link on page A2 on NewDocs. At the same time, let me know what you think of NewDocs.

    With kind regards,
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