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    Quote Originally Posted by malspa View Post
    Pardon my ignorance, but would this be the first phone that this can be done with? The idea of of being able to "boot the desktop variant of Ubuntu when docked to a keyboard, mouse and monitor" sounds really good to me.
    There have been previous attempts, although they didn't have the same exact approach, as some analysts that legitimately express doubts about whether Canonical will succeed in this quest remind us:

    http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/02/tech...rtphone-linux/

    That would let you literally use your phone to power your PC.

    This concept isn't entirely new, as Canonical revealed similar plans last year to attach its desktop software to devices running Android. Before that, Motorola tried to turn Android phones into laptops with its Atrix line of phones and docks. And let's not forget the hybrid operating system experiment that is Windows 8.

    But no one -- not even Microsoft (MSFT, Fortune 500) -- has attempted to serve up its own phone OS and desktop OS in a single package. Despite its desktop-like features, Android considers itself a phone and tablet system, while Microsoft still has Windows Phone 8 operating autonomously from the tablet and desktop-centric Windows 8.

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    Re: Ubuntu phone OS

    Thanks for that post and that link, tartalo. Interesting stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tartalo View Post
    There have been previous attempts, although they didn't have the same exact approach, as some analysts that legitimately express doubts about whether Canonical will succeed in this quest remind us:

    http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/02/tech...rtphone-linux/
    The advantage that Canonical has over Microsoft is that Canonical has access to the source code of virtually all the third party software that runs on the Ubuntu desktop while Microsoft does not have access to the source code to a vast proportion of the third party software that runs on the Windows desktop. Canonical can simply recompile all of the x86/AMD64 third party FLOSS on Ubuntu for ARM while Microsoft cannot do likewise with the x86/AMD64 third party propriety software on Windows. Apple is in essentially the same boat as Microsoft here.

    This critical difference between FLOSS and propriety software when moving between x86/AMD64 and ARM is what the analysts are missing.

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    Re: Ubuntu phone OS

    Microsoft has the same access to open source code as we all do.

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    With ubuntu phone OS there is the opportunity for ubuntu to offer a complete ecosystem, Server, Desktop and mobile. Whilst Google can offer mobility it does not offer infrastructure to the same level and ChromeOS is not a complete desktop platform.

    Apple offer Desktop mobile but Server to a much lesser extent, so their ecosystem is not as complete.

    MSFT does offer a very good Desktop, Server to a point and mobile is fledgling so their ecosystem is incomplete but developing ahead of ubuntu.

    If the community can show they are behind Canonicals venture then the OEM's will show interest they will not show interest if they see that the community is not behind it. For the first time there is an opportunity to show a complete product line to the public, enterprises and OEM's. This is an exciting development and one that is of greater potential than we have seen in open source for a very long time and the opportunity to really have a shot at breaking the Google/Apple duopoly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiNZ View Post
    With ubuntu phone OS there is the opportunity for ubuntu to offer a complete ecosystem, Server, Desktop and mobile. Whilst Google can offer mobility it does not offer infrastructure to the same level and ChromeOS is not a complete desktop platform.

    Apple offer Desktop mobile but Server to a much lesser extent, so their ecosystem is not as complete.

    MSFT does offer a very good Desktop, Server to a point and mobile is fledgling so their ecosystem is incomplete but developing ahead of ubuntu.

    If the community can show they are behind Canonicals venture then the OEM's will show interest they will not show interest if they see that the community is not behind it. For the first time there is an opportunity to show a complete product line to the public, enterprises and OEM's. This is an exciting development and one that is of greater potential than we have seen in open source for a very long time and the opportunity to really have a shot at breaking the Google/Apple duopoly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr john View Post
    Microsoft has the same access to open source code as we all do.
    They do but that is not the direction Microsoft is heading with Windows 8. What they are doing is focusing on building a propriety application ecosystem on ARM with Windows 8 RT. As more and more Windows applications are ported to the Windows Modern UI the difference between the desktop and mobile Windows experience will narrow considerably and the advantage that Canonical currently enjoys because of this will wither away. The bottom line Microsoft is not standing still here neither for that matter are Apple or Google.

    It is very important the community stand behind Canonical on this venture now because this opportunity is not going to be there for ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr john View Post
    Microsoft has the same access to open source code as we all do.
    Maybe so, but not to Adobe and proprietary systems. Those 3rd party companies need to be convinced it is worth spending resources on their latest ventures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiNZ View Post
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    If the community can show they are behind Canonicals venture then the OEM's will show interest they will not show interest if they see that the community is not behind it. <snip>
    QED ?

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2101731

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2101848

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    With ubuntu phone OS there is the opportunity for ubuntu to offer a complete ecosystem, Server, Desktop and mobile.
    I agree, but while Ubuntu is relatively complete on the the Sever and Desktop, they are still very weak on the mobile platform.

    Microsoft has a complete suite on all those platforms. Still, it's pretty impressive for a small company like Canonical to be able to stand up to the big three (Google, Microsoft, Apple). I'm sure if they saw Ubuntu as a real threat the lawsuits will begin. Nearly everything to do with phones and tablets is patented.

    Competing against those companies might be opening a can of worms if they all decide to sue Canonical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr john View Post
    I agree, but while Ubuntu is relatively complete on the the Sever and Desktop, they are still very weak on the mobile platform.

    Microsoft has a complete suite on all those platforms. Still, it's pretty impressive for a small company like Canonical to be able to stand up to the big three (Google, Microsoft, Apple). I'm sure if they saw Ubuntu as a real threat the lawsuits will begin. Nearly everything to do with phones and tablets is patented.

    Competing against those companies might be opening a can of worms if they all decide to sue Canonical.
    Of course Ubuntu is relatively complete on the Server and Desktop and weak on the mobile platform.. they haven't released anything yet!

    Microsoft has a similar view of a homogeneous OS across platforms than it looks like Ubuntu is pursuing, but is further along after spending more time and money on the issue.

    It is possible that Google may be an ally in guarding against the patent trolls, but the big defense is the GPL and having everything "out in the open" (to a greater degree, though only time will tell how open all of the pieces are).
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