The famous quality drive, just talk?

[BertN45]

Is the famous quality drive announced by Mark Shuttleworh just talk or is Canonical suffering from the famous manageritus, where the process gets more important then the end result. I am using a Dell Inspiron 1521 64 bits and since 8.04 I have been using it for Ubuntu. I always defended Ubuntu and also the move to Unity already since 11.04, but lately I get more and more disappointed. I have a few examples which make me doubt:

• For the first time since 8.04 the installation of 12.10 on my 1521 crashed.
• After re-installing 12.04.1 for the first time no wired network nor wireless network were available on my 1521.
• After reporting regressions on 13.04 using Conky on i915 driver, the reply from Canonical itself was: "getting same on nvidia here, so not sure if it's a real bug". I did have the correct behavior with 11.04, 11,10, 12.04, 12.10. Linux Mint 14 or ZorinOS 6.1 on more computers including Virtualbox, but the bug has been marked as incomplete.
• I had the same type of behavior, reporting a freeze on the i915, I provide the information they asked for and after that they asked me to run "apport-collect", which crashed because of a known bug related to python 2 or 3. Happily they reported the freeze directly as incomplete, possibly to improve their QA statistics.

The GUI improvement from 12.04 to 12.10 and to 13.04 (till today) are neglectable, while the driver support is getting worse. For bugs it seems they concentrate on getting the bugs out of the books, instead of solving the underlying problems. It is a pity, that now Ubuntu becomes a commercial success, Ubuntu seems to be technically over the hill.

[haqking]

Is the famous quality drive announced by Mark Shuttleworh just talk or is Canonical suffering from the famous manageritus, where the process gets more important then the end result. I am using a Dell Inspiron 1521 64 bits and since 8.04 I have been using it for Ubuntu. I always defended Ubuntu and also the move to Unity already since 11.04, but lately I get more and more disappointed. I have a few examples which make me doubt:

• For the first time since 8.04 the installation of 12.10 on my 1521 crashed.
• After re-installing 12.04.1 for the first time no wired network nor wireless network were available on my 1521.
• It is impossible to run 12.10 in Virtualbox, while both 12.04 and Open Suse 12.1 Gnome 3 did run in 3D without any problems.
• After reporting regressions on 13.04 using Conky on i915 driver, the reply from Canonical itself was: "getting same on nvidia here, so not sure if it's a real bug". I did have the correct behavior with 11.04, 11,10, 12.04, 12.10. Linux Mint 14 nor ZorinOS 6.1 on more computers including Virtualbox, but the bug has been marked as incomplete.
• I had the same type of problem reporting a freeze on the i915, I provide the information they asked for and after that they asked me to run "apport-collect", which crashed because of a known bug related to python 2 or 3. Happily they reported the freeze directly as incomplete, possibly to improve their QA statistics.

The GUI improvement from 12.04 to 12.10 and to 13.04 (till today) are neglectable, while the driver support is getting worse. For bugs it seems they concentrate on getting the bugs out of the books, instead of solving the underlying problems. It is a pity, that now Ubuntu becomes a commercial success, Ubuntu seems to be technically over the hill.

I know what you mean, it is really annoying when something crashes for the first time in 4 years and when trying an Alpha release there are bugs in it.

And when "it is impossible" to run something that is actually very possible but just not for you. If you are having issues i suspect it is this https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=52327. but I used Google so sorry i was cheating, it should of just worked

Drives me crazy

[BertN45]

I know what you mean, it is really annoying when something crashes for the first time in 4 years and when trying an Alpha release there are bugs in it.

And when "it is impossible" to run something that is actually very possible but just not for you. If you are having issues i suspect it is this https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=52327. but I used Google so sorry i was cheating, it should of just worked

Drives me crazy

OK I take the VirtualBox thing out, since it is an Oracle problem. I could add a few other things, but examples are always a little bit dangerous. The thread is more about the unhappy feeling, that with respect to product quality and robustness Ubuntu is moving down the hill.

[BertN45]

To put it in a more general perspective. It is normal that a successful business gets into a kind of crisis after 7 years (like a marriage). They have to formalize their way of working and that is the process Ubuntu is going through now. The danger however is that the business looses it agility and becomes too bureaucratic. For Ubuntu I see some signs that there are problems in that conversion. One of the other signs of the crisis is that the business has too many project going on in parallel and they have problems finishing those. As user community we have to signal those issues, so that the Ubuntu Management can correct it.

[haqking]

To put it in a more general perspective. It is normal that a successful business gets into a kind of crisis after 7 years (like a marriage). They have to formalize their way of working and that is the process Ubuntu is going through now. The danger however is that the business looses it agility and becomes too bureaucratic. For Ubuntu I see some signs that there are problems in that conversion. One of the other signs of the crisis is that the business has too many project going on in parallel and they have problems finishing those. As user community we have to signal those issues, so that the Ubuntu Management can correct it.

I am sure Canonical will gladly give you your money back and then quiver and quake at the thought of their business model needing a revamp

You are the one choosing to update your system every 6 months

However this is for a testimonial and everyone is entitled to their opinion and i support you in your right to have yours so I wont nit pick anymore

Peace

[BertN45]

I am sure Canonical will gladly give you your money back and then quiver and quake at the thought of their business model needing a revamp

Cheap shot.

You are the one choosing to update your system every 6 months

Yes and I expect Ubuntu to be better with each release and not worse. I do not like regression and nobody likes that.

However this is for a testimonial and everyone is entitled to their opinion and i support you in your right to have yours so I wont nit pick anymore

If you used your replies to prove me wrong, it would be more useful, but probably you do not have the convincing arguments for that.

[Tamlynmac]

There does seem to be quite a bit of water under this bridge. I doubt it matters much how much some one pays for something, if it doesn't work. How does that coincide with paying the Ferryman?

To the OP:
I refuse to bash Ubuntu, used it from 7.04 to 10.04. But with the release of Xubuntu 12.04, I decided to try it and have been surprisingly pleased. Perhaps, you might wish to try a different distro. I doubt complaining here - will solve anything. As (it's been stated before in this section) the devs don't come here often. Much like screaming at the wind.

Good Luck

Just my $0.02

[stalkingwolf]

@ OP why would anyone want to convince you of anything? The mantra of Ubuntu has for as long as I have used it (6.10) been use what works for you.
If it doesnt work for you you have two choices , either find something that does
or fix /customize your install until it does then post your fixes for the next person.

Pretty simple.

I dont like unity so I found something i do like and that does what i want.