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    Re: Can an Idea be Stolen?

    Quote Originally Posted by M7S View Post
    I don't believe in intellectual property at all. It's a silly term. Something can't be both intellectual and a property at a the same time. You can't own a thought. The problem is that people somehow seem have lost the ability to differ between creating and owning and being a creator and being an owner.

    To think there is an intellectual landscape out there where you can say "This peace of land is mine because I was here first. Keep off!" is just dumb. Thoughts interlace and overlaps and you can't make simple paths around and avoid thoughts. Thoughts that are published belongs to the public.

    I do believe in copyright. The thought that you should be able to profit from your work as a creator - getting paid for the work you put in - is good one. It has gone overboard quite a bit when works are protected practically forever though.

    I can accept that some fields (not software) might benefit from patents. It might make companies more interested in investing in science and inventions.

    Trademarks and design patents also makes some kind of sense. What doesn't make sense is combining all these things under the name intellectual property and pretending they somehow are connected with each other. They are all different things and serve different purposes.


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    So you can write a book and protect it but cannot write code and protect it, hmmm odd
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    Re: Can an Idea be Stolen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chdslv View Post
    "also if someone copied my idea i would be flattered not offended."

    The best words I heard for sometime!
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    you mean like that guy Baldrick in Black Adder? all of his (stupid) ideas were stolen by Black Adder.
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    Re: Can an Idea be Stolen?

    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiNZ View Post
    So you can write a book and protect it but cannot write code and protect it, hmmm odd
    What? Copyright protects your code. Software patents doesn't. Copyright is a very good protection of your code.

    Software patents only protects ideas and one program uses hundreds different ideas. Making software today is a gamble for small businesses. You have no way of knowing if your program does something that is patented because there's many hundred thousands patents out there and there's no other way to check for infrigement than to read every single one of them.

    If anyone sues it will be expensive whether you win or not. It doesn't help you if you have one patent yourself for a part of your program unless the one who sues happens to use that idea in his program (then you can cross licence). Paying licenses might be a solution but if two or three patent holders wants say 3% each of your income for the program that will probably be enough to make it impossible to make a profit at all. Software patents is only good for trolls who doesn't make products themselves and perhaps slightly for big companies (the biggest use they have of the patents is cross-licening, which wouldn't be needed if there was no software patents).

    In other fields one patent might equal one product. That's when patents makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M7S View Post
    What? Copyright protects your code. Software patents doesn't. Copyright is a very good protection of your code.

    Software patents only protects ideas and one program uses hundreds different ideas. Making software today is a gamble for small businesses. You have no way of knowing if your program does something that is patented because there's many hundred thousands patents out there and there's no other way to check for infrigement than to read every single one of them.

    If anyone sues it will be expensive whether you win or not. It doesn't help you if you have one patent yourself for a part of your program unless the one who sues happens to use that idea in his program (then you can cross licence). Paying licenses might be a solution but if two or three patent holders wants say 3% each of your income for the program that will probably be enough to make it impossible to make a profit at all. Software patents is only good for trolls who doesn't make products themselves and perhaps slightly for big companies (the biggest use they have of the patents is cross-licening, which wouldn't be needed if there was no software patents).

    In other fields one patent might equal one product. That's when patents makes sense.
    I never said software was covered by copyright, give me credit.
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    Re: Can an Idea be Stolen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chdslv View Post
    "also if someone copied my idea i would be flattered not offended."

    The best words I heard for sometime!
    My friend Mamamia88, you are on the way to immense success!
    If I had a company and had spent millions of dollars in research and development only to have my ideas stolen I would be anything but flattered.

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    Re: Can an Idea be Stolen?

    Quote Originally Posted by mastablasta View Post
    you mean like that guy Baldrick in Black Adder? all of his (stupid) ideas were stolen by Black Adder.
    They weren't stupid ideas, they were "cunning plans".

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    Re: Can an Idea be Stolen?

    Open-source relies on some concepts of Intellectual Property for instance GPLs copyleft is dependent on copyright; i.e if you write code, it is your code and you have permission to say how it is used. It may not be copied without your consent - same as if you right a book. Copyright is reasonable, its purpose to protect the interests of the creators of content thus encouraging creativity which will be for the benefit of all.

    The purpose of patents is similar - it is to reasonably protect the interests of inventors so that they have a temporary monopoly on their invention and can have the chance to recoup their investment, thus encouraging innovation and again working in the interests of the greater good. Patents have, however, always been problematic and striking the balance difficult. Nevertheless it is obvious patents were allowed to protect and encourage innovation.

    Software patents have been even more problematic, the patenting of vague ideas, maths let alone some of the non-sense that Apple pretends is innovation is ridicules and it purpose is to stifle innovation. The length of patents reasonable in the pharmaceutical industry are inappropriate in software imagine if no one had been allowed to use the GUI for 20 years. Patents are also inappropriate in this field which is inherently cumulative with development based on the foundation of previous ideas.

    The question that needs to be asked is do software patents encourage innovation and development? If not they should go. The purpose of patents is not to allow large and powerful corporations to create monopolies and cartels where they can protect themselves from competition by stifling innovation. The reverse is true, the abuse of the patent system is a disgrace.
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    Re: Can an Idea be Stolen?

    USA has a backward patent system. But what can you expect, USA is the home of lawyers and suing.

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    Re: Can an Idea be Stolen?

    It is possible to buy patents and then claim what is covered by the patents is your Intellectual Property. But is it their ideas, their work, their innovation? And yet those who buy these patents claim a right to be rewarded for their innovation.

    Judges ought to know that case law is built upon previous judgements regarding the application of laws. So Judges, of all people, should know that one person's ideas are most likely based upon some one else's ideas. The same applies to the practical application of ideas.
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    Re: Can an Idea be Stolen?

    I'm sure many judges are aware of the problems in patent law. Unfortunately, they don't have the power to overturn laws (unless they turn out to be contradicted by more important stuff, like the Constitution in the US' case, and even then you'd have to appeal a decision all the way up to the supreme court).

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