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    Re: Pondering the future of the Gnome classic session beyond Ubuntu Precise

    kansasnoob,

    Thank you first of all for your Precise Classic Tweaks and Tricks, it is invaluable.

    I have also pondered what to do to look after myself and my friends systems. They are all retired, a mixture of English and French and use their systems for the classical functions browser, email, office (writer + calc), photos (library + slideshow), skype. They do not play computer games.

    A system without a screensaver / slideshow is a non starter. Linux Mint Maya Mate comes with a basic screensaver / slideshow. It may be trivial to install but it does mean that out of the box Ubuntu nolonger has this basic function. The Software Centre does not even have an entry for SCREENSAVER, you need to enter XSCREENSAVER to find one.

    I guess we will be staying with 12.04 so all my users will have the same software. I do tell them that they are using LINUX - UBUNTU so if I need to change to Mint say in the future it will still be a consistent choice.

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    Re: Pondering the future of the Gnome classic session beyond Ubuntu Precise

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    ... I find it odd that you'd use Ubuntu's water cooler to discuss or promote another distro
    There's no gain in preaching to the converted
    That's how I interpret the numerous, totally altruistic posts here extolling other distros and proprietary software.
    Shortened urls: See point #11 here. And clicking on them could be risky.
    Use ubuntu-support-status with caution.

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    Re: Pondering the future of the Gnome classic session beyond Ubuntu Precise

    Quote Originally Posted by vasa1 View Post
    There's no gain in preaching to the converted
    That's how I interpret the numerous, totally altruistic posts here extolling other distros and proprietary software.
    I just get frustrated with the constant recommending of other distros

    Anyone that took the time to read my OP would know that I have a plan:

    Option #1: stick with 12.04

    Option #2: switch to Lubuntu or Xubuntu

    Option #3: be patient and see what works best over the course of the next few dev cycles.

    BTW it's fairly obvious that I still love Ubuntu (regardless of flavor), but I don't go posting at the Mint forums (or others) recommending they switch to my preferred concoction

    To me that would be like hanging around a Chevy showroom and telling everyone how much you love Ford

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    Re: Pondering the future of the Gnome classic session beyond Ubuntu Precise

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Maunder View Post
    kansasnoob,

    Thank you first of all for your Precise Classic Tweaks and Tricks, it is invaluable.

    I have also pondered what to do to look after myself and my friends systems. They are all retired, a mixture of English and French and use their systems for the classical functions browser, email, office (writer + calc), photos (library + slideshow), skype. They do not play computer games.

    A system without a screensaver / slideshow is a non starter. Linux Mint Maya Mate comes with a basic screensaver / slideshow. It may be trivial to install but it does mean that out of the box Ubuntu nolonger has this basic function. The Software Centre does not even have an entry for SCREENSAVER, you need to enter XSCREENSAVER to find one.

    I guess we will be staying with 12.04 so all my users will have the same software. I do tell them that they are using LINUX - UBUNTU so if I need to change to Mint say in the future it will still be a consistent choice.
    Thanks. I actually posted this in part because I'm either going to request some edits to that thread or possibly post an entirely new, updated version after which I can request a simple edit to the original pointing to the new one.

    And I probably will post a brief version for Quantal, but I didn't want to take up a great deal of space explaining what's being planned, what other options there are, etc.

    This way I can just link to this thread for a more in depth explanation of why I recommend staying with 12.04 LTS. But right now I'm working on a decent version of this:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...6&postcount=43

    In that case it was an "upgrade via live CD/DVD/USB" but the procedure does also provide a "replace" option under the proper circumstances. My time has just been limited lately.

    Basically I get things done when I get them done

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    Re: Pondering the future of the Gnome classic session beyond Ubuntu Precise

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    I just get frustrated with the constant recommending of other distros
    ... but I don't go posting at the Mint forums (or others) recommending they switch to my preferred concoction

    To me that would be like hanging around a Chevy showroom and telling everyone how much you love Ford
    Well, IMO, it's even worse than that. We've seen the forum slowing down. Whether the recent fix has improved things or not isn't clear. But a simple mind like mine thinks that the more threads, the more load; the longer the thread, the more the load.
    Shortened urls: See point #11 here. And clicking on them could be risky.
    Use ubuntu-support-status with caution.

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    Re: Pondering the future of the Gnome classic session beyond Ubuntu Precise

    Quote Originally Posted by vasa1 View Post
    Well, IMO, it's even worse than that. We've seen the forum slowing down. Whether the recent fix has improved things or not isn't clear. But a simple mind like mine thinks that the more threads, the more load; the longer the thread, the more the load.
    Not a loading issue, the Forum can handle far greater load than we have experienced of late, back in 2009-2010 we could get up to 40,000 on line at a time.
    This account is not active.

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    Re: Pondering the future of the Gnome classic session beyond Ubuntu Precise

    Just out of curiosity I tried installing Mate in Ubuntu-GNOME-Remix this evening and it's honestly not that bad, but it does install a lot of packages:

    lance@lance-VIA-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install mate-core
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree
    Reading state information... Done
    The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
    libreadline5
    Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it.
    The following extra packages will be installed:
    atril atril-common caja caja-common cpufrequtils engrampa engrampa-common
    eom eom-common ffmpegthumbnailer ffmpegthumbnailer-caja fuse-utils
    gtk2-engines-murrine libatril libcaja-extension libcpufreq0 libfam0
    libffmpegthumbnailer4 libglade2-0 libgtksourceview2.0-0
    libgtksourceview2.0-common libidl-common libidl0 libjpeg62 libmarco libmate
    libmate-common libmatecanvas libmatecomponent libmatecomponentui libmateconf
    libmatecorba libmatedesktop libmatekbd libmatekeyring libmatemenu
    libmatenotify libmatepanelapplet libmatepolkit libmateui libmatevfs
    libmateweather libmateweather-common libmatewnck libmatewnck-common librpm3
    librpmio3 libtasn1-3-bin libtiff4 libunique-1.0-0 libvte-common libvte9
    marco marco-common mate-applets mate-applets-common mate-backgrounds
    mate-conf mate-conf-common mate-control-center mate-corba mate-desktop
    mate-desktop-common mate-dialogs mate-icon-theme mate-keyring mate-media
    mate-media-common mate-media-gstreamer mate-menus mate-mime-data mate-panel
    mate-panel-common mate-polkit mate-power-manager mate-power-manager-common
    mate-screensaver mate-session-manager mate-settings-daemon
    mate-settings-daemon-common mate-settings-daemon-gstreamer
    mate-system-monitor mate-terminal mate-terminal-common mate-text-editor
    mate-themes mate-vfs mate-vfs-common mate-window-manager menu menu-xdg
    p7zip-full python-corba python-glade2 python-gtksourceview2 python-mate
    python-mate-desktop rpm-common rpm2cpio
    Suggested packages:
    unrar mate-file-manager meld lha sharutils ncompress unace lzip lzop rzip
    unalz zoo arj murrine-themes fam xscreensaver-data rss-glx menu-l10n
    p7zip-rar python-gtk2-doc libgtksourceview2.0-dev rpm-i18n
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
    atril atril-common caja caja-common cpufrequtils engrampa engrampa-common
    eom eom-common ffmpegthumbnailer ffmpegthumbnailer-caja fuse-utils
    gtk2-engines-murrine libatril libcaja-extension libcpufreq0 libfam0
    libffmpegthumbnailer4 libglade2-0 libgtksourceview2.0-0
    libgtksourceview2.0-common libidl-common libidl0 libjpeg62 libmarco libmate
    libmate-common libmatecanvas libmatecomponent libmatecomponentui libmateconf
    libmatecorba libmatedesktop libmatekbd libmatekeyring libmatemenu
    libmatenotify libmatepanelapplet libmatepolkit libmateui libmatevfs
    libmateweather libmateweather-common libmatewnck libmatewnck-common librpm3
    librpmio3 libtasn1-3-bin libtiff4 libunique-1.0-0 libvte-common libvte9
    marco marco-common mate-applets mate-applets-common mate-backgrounds
    mate-conf mate-conf-common mate-control-center mate-corba mate-core
    mate-desktop mate-desktop-common mate-dialogs mate-icon-theme mate-keyring
    mate-media mate-media-common mate-media-gstreamer mate-menus mate-mime-data
    mate-panel mate-panel-common mate-polkit mate-power-manager
    mate-power-manager-common mate-screensaver mate-session-manager
    mate-settings-daemon mate-settings-daemon-common
    mate-settings-daemon-gstreamer mate-system-monitor mate-terminal
    mate-terminal-common mate-text-editor mate-themes mate-vfs mate-vfs-common
    mate-window-manager menu menu-xdg p7zip-full python-corba python-glade2
    python-gtksourceview2 python-mate python-mate-desktop rpm-common rpm2cpio
    0 upgraded, 100 newly installed, 0 to remove and 136 not upgraded.
    Need to get 108 MB of archives.
    After this operation, 271 MB of additional disk space will be used.

    ################################################## ##################

    lance@lance-VIA-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree
    Reading state information... Done
    The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
    libreadline5
    Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it.
    The following extra packages will be installed:
    apache2.2-bin hddtemp libapache2-mod-dnssd libapr1 libaprutil1
    libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap libmatebluetooth
    libmatesensorsappletplugin libnet-dbus-perl liboobs-1-5 libtie-ixhash-perl
    libxml-parser-perl libxml-twig-perl libxml-xpath-perl mate-bluetooth
    mate-calc mate-netspeed mate-sensors-applet mate-system-tools
    mate-user-share mate-utils mozo python-mate-menu python-support
    system-tools-backends
    Suggested packages:
    ksensors libunicode-map8-perl libunicode-string-perl xml-twig-tools
    caja-sendto mate-sensors-applet-ati mate-sensors-applet-nvidia ntp
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
    apache2.2-bin hddtemp libapache2-mod-dnssd libapr1 libaprutil1
    libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap libmatebluetooth
    libmatesensorsappletplugin libnet-dbus-perl liboobs-1-5 libtie-ixhash-perl
    libxml-parser-perl libxml-twig-perl libxml-xpath-perl mate-bluetooth
    mate-calc mate-desktop-environment mate-netspeed mate-sensors-applet
    mate-system-tools mate-user-share mate-utils mozo python-mate-menu
    python-support system-tools-backends
    0 upgraded, 27 newly installed, 0 to remove and 136 not upgraded.
    Need to get 19.5 MB of archives.
    After this operation, 48.4 MB of additional disk space will be used.
    It's certainly usable so it's worth watching what the Mate devs do going forward

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    Re: Pondering the future of the Gnome classic session beyond Ubuntu Precise

    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    Muffin is super slow with the aforementioned P4M800 graphics ............. I mean "get up and walk around waiting" slow

    It's the equivalent of rolling back to dial-up from DSL.

    I really have no further comment regarding Mint, I prefer Ubuntu. I find it odd that you'd use Ubuntu's water cooler to discuss or promote another distro
    It appears that Mint recognizes the need I've addressed regarding Metacity:

    http://www.webupd8.org/2012/12/what-...t-15.html#more

    The Linux Mint roadmap was updated recently, pointing out what to expect in Linux Mint 15 for Cinnamon, Nemo, MDM or Mint Tools.

    Linux Mint 15 is expected to ship with Cinnamon 1.8 which will include new features like:

    Desktlets (desktop widgets). Three such desklets should be available by available by default: System Monitor, Picture video & slideshow frame and Terminal
    Cinnamon Settings: ability to browse, install, remove and update Cinnamon themes, applets, extensions and desklets remotely
    Bumpmaps support (defines transparent textures which look like sculpted glass - see screenshot above)
    A Control Center that integrates both Cinnamon and GOME settings into one tool
    Rethink Cinnamon 2D: fallback to a non-shadow CPU-less intensive session in software rendering mode. Muffin or OpenBox will be used.
    Configurable color schemes for themes
    Calendar events similar to KDE's implementation
    New/improved applets: upgrade Menu applet with mintMenu features, new email notifier and pulse-like RSS reader applets
    This is why I say, just keep testing, watch for proposed changes by other dev teams, and otherwise enjoy the stability of 12.04

    Edit: Clem actually provides a clearer explanation:

    Rethink Cinnamon 2D, fallback to a non-shadow CPU-less intensive session in software rendering mode and/or Muffin/OpenBox (whatever happens, the user should know he's not running the "real" Cinnamon, he should be told why, and he should find himself with a working WM (even a minimalistic one like OpenBox)).
    Last edited by kansasnoob; December 13th, 2012 at 12:07 PM.

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    Re: Pondering the future of the Gnome classic session beyond Ubuntu Precise

    And yet another option, Consort Desktop:

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTI3NzM

    And the lead dev approves of an Ubuntu PPA:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...3&postcount=17

    So I can chill out with Precise Classic (no effects) until a true winner emerges

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    Re: Pondering the future of the Gnome classic session beyond Ubuntu Precise

    After 6 years with Ubuntu (Gnome DE) we migrated all our machines to Xubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (Xfce Desktop Environment). There is no single reason to look back at Gnome. Thank you, Xubuntu and Xfce teams!

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