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    Re: Now that the Unity hate has cooled down, how do you feel about the WM?

    The whole Unity vs xxx, vs yyy etc is beginning to sound a lot like religion...

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    Re: Now that the Unity hate has cooled down, how do you feel about the WM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy Landau View Post
    Forced? No one ever forced anyone onto Unity. This is Linux. I have been forced onto Windows, though, every time I've worked for a company that used Windows.
    Well, that's not a statement of fact either; nobody forced you to work for them.
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    Re: Now that the Unity hate has cooled down, how do you feel about the WM?

    So is the trend here to dismiss all valid crlitcism of Unity as "religion" or "you haven't yet learned how to use it" and such?

    Different people have their different preferences for how they work, different people are more or less productive in different ways. Individual, subjective opinion is just that.

    The main issue with Unity, is the business decision to push (not "force," push) this DE as the default one, for the sake of something that Canonical admits, from the beginning, won't attract a lot of users. If it had been done for something that would benefit a large population of users, that would be one thing. You could then discuss the pros/cons and ROI.

    But from the get-go, Canonical admitted that this DE was created for the sake of users who will use a single Desktop Environment for mobile devices (like the Ubuntu Edge) and PCs. And if you read Canonical's own literature on it, by its own admission, they are not expecting massive adoption of the concept, or of the hardware. In fact, "admission" is the wrong word, they're actually proud of appealing to some limited "elite" or something.

    And for that, they started a Holy War. That's the problem with Unity.

    As to the rest, I'm quite amused with suggestions like "hide the launcher" and "make the top panel transparent" so you can have a "fully photographic wallpaper" etc.

    Yeah? Really? When I hide the launcher, it may un-hide when I need it, or it may not. Yes, I know, push against the left edge, don't "slam" the mouse into it, and yes, I've seen the Unity-tweak-tool and CCSM plugin, and yes, I've set the slider to the maximum sensitivity, then the minimum, then the maxiumu again, no difference, the launcher may or may not un-hide, it does whatever the dickens it wants, no matter what rain-dance I do.

    And the top panel? Same tools allow me to set the transparency - again, no reaction, it's always opaque, bright or dark - and as far as the notification area, it is a documented bug in Launchpad that it does not respect the panel's transparency settings.

    So please, I'm absolutely thrilled if those workarounds work well for the people who suggest them, and even more so if they solve problems for others, but these are not reasons to dismiss valid criticisms, because on this end it's a respectable, powerful i7-950 processor on a fairly modern ASUS MB with a respectable nVidia GT-640 and stable drivers, and none of that cr@p works correctly. And all for the sake of 31 future Ubuntu-Edge users. Hurray for them.
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    Re: Now that the Unity hate has cooled down, how do you feel about the WM?

    Quote Originally Posted by mips View Post
    The whole Unity vs xxx, vs yyy etc is beginning to sound a lot like religion...
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    Ho, ho. I alternate between XFCE and LXDE on my laptop, and stick to strictly MATE on my desktop. MATE gives me that good old Hardy Heron feeling.

    I do think that Unity is a terrific desktop, but I just don't like it. If, on the other hand, I had it on a tablet or smartphone, I'd love it. It's way better than the current GNOME, and it still beats the holy crap out of Windows 8, but, for that matter, so did XP.
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    Re: Now that the Unity hate has cooled down, how do you feel about the WM?

    Also, many forget that the default gnome3 desktop is gnome shell...i have used both gnome shell and unity and i think unity is much nicer to use, more streamlined, and just seems to flow a lot better....I think they took the right direction developing their own version of gnome shell...

    Also, i think a lot of it comes down to whether you mind using a dock or not...if you don't mind you might be more inclined to like unity....if you insist on the old fashion windows style way, you probably won't be happy with it...I like docks, so i get along fine with unity and it's my favorite desktop environment now...

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    Re: Now that the Unity hate has cooled down, how do you feel about the WM?

    Quote Originally Posted by r_avital View Post
    Well, that's not a statement of fact either; nobody forced you to work for them.
    Well, technically, that's true; but I live in the real world where I cannot dictate what companies use, and I have to work for someone who needs my skill set. I have also worked for a company that didn't use Windows, and later changed over — I was not going to resign over that! Besides, I don't have the skills to live self-sustainably on a remote island. If you work for a company that insists on Unity, you will be "forced" to use Unity or find a new job, not always easy to do especially if you like your current job.

    But if you are in control of your own PC, you can run whatever you like, and Unity is just one (free) choice out of many.
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    Re: Now that the Unity hate has cooled down, how do you feel about the WM?

    Never had any problem with Unity since 12.04 onwards (I have started using since then)
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    Re: Now that the Unity hate has cooled down, how do you feel about the WM?

    I've always liked Unity. You can open up or find anything with one or two clicks. It's very easy to learn and that is the main thing people have problems with. They don't take the time to learn something before they make a judgement. It's sad that some will not even try anything different or new. Well as far as I'm concerned, I look at it as their lost. Remember, this is just my opinion and as such has no value what so ever.
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    Re: Now that the Unity hate has cooled down, how do you feel about the WM?

    Although I am not using Unity right now (in a KDE phase) I really like how it has progressed and looks so slick now. Maybe not my personal favourite DE but by far the best Out Of the Box experience.
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