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    Re: GRUB 2.0 vs GRUB 1.99 - Long Entries

    Quote Originally Posted by arpanaut View Post
    Yeah that is one of my gripes about the new grub,
    but you can highlight any entry and hit 'e' and the "set root=" entry there
    will show where the installation is.

    Not a big deal for the average user who has only 1-2 installations.
    And for people who have many multiple installations, it is just an extra step.
    We have already complicated things for ourselves, so not a biggie.
    Yes, I'm aware of that of course
    And I agree with your point too


    So, bottom line:
    1- Is there away so far to tell without the extra step in case someone else is too lazy to do that?
    2- Is there any way for GRUB 1.99 to have normal entries?

    Edit:
    Have you tested GRUB Customizer with the new GRUB?
    Last edited by amjjawad; October 3rd, 2012 at 06:51 PM.

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    Re: GRUB 2.0 vs GRUB 1.99 - Long Entries

    Regarding Grub Customizer

    The latest version is 3.0.2. It has a new interface. I am trying it out on a 12.10 install. I think that it will be usable if we can get rid of those long file names.

    You will need to run Grub Customizer with the command:

    Code:
    sudo grub-customizer
    Actually grub-customizer will also work but you will then need to authenticate.

    Then you wait for at least 15 minutes for the user interface to appear. You get this message in the terminal:

    reading partition info...
    And it takes about 15 minutes to do that. I do not know why. Perhaps it is because I have ten partitions and four Ubuntus.

    It does recognise the submenus.

    You can right click a menuentry and get a small menu. The Edit option will show what the boot parameters are for that entry.

    Submenus are shown with a folder icon which a mouse click will expand to show what is in the submenu.

    I suggest as a first step remove all old kernels (keep the latest two) from each install to avoid unnecessary entries.

    Run update-grub from each install to, hopefully get a cleaner configuration file.

    Do not run update-grub from 12.04 unless you have the latest grub customizer and are going to use 12.04 as your boot menu control.

    If you want to use Grub 2.0 on 12.10 as the control, then run update-grub and then

    Code:
    sudo grub-install /dev/sda
    to save grub to the MBR and run grub customizer from that install.

    Do one edit at a time and test to see if things have improved. Make sure you do not remove from the grub customizer list those kernels that you want to keep.

    Regards.
    Last edited by grahammechanical; October 3rd, 2012 at 07:51 PM.
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    Re: GRUB 2.0 vs GRUB 1.99 - Long Entries

    Amjjawad. Why not install grub 2 to the mbr of the disk from a live usb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philinux View Post
    Amjjawad. Why not install grub 2 to the mbr of the disk from a live usb.
    I installed it from Lubuntu 12.10 as per this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gr...Working_System

    GRUB 2.0 is now installed in the MBR of sda and it is working.

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    Re: GRUB 2.0 vs GRUB 1.99 - Long Entries

    Quote Originally Posted by amjjawad View Post
    ... GRUB 2.0 is now installed in the MBR of sda and it is working.
    ... but rest of your system still has previous versions of grub-associated programs. Check their versions:

    Code:
    update-grub -v
    grub-install -v
    When you boot the previous system (ex. 10,04, 12.04) which comes with grub 1.98 or 1.99, after any kernel update your grub configuration file will be changed using previous version (1.98 or 1.98) procedures. I don't know if this is "typical", possibly will work fine.

    General note: "playing" with GRUB will probably make your system not-bootable!
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    Re: GRUB 2.0 vs GRUB 1.99 - Long Entries

    amjjawad, just so folks can help run the bootinfoscript and post back the results.txt file.

    http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/

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    Re: GRUB 2.0 vs GRUB 1.99 - Long Entries

    Quote

    When you boot the previous system (ex. 10,04, 12.04) which comes with grub 1.98 or 1.99, after any kernel update your grub configuration file will be changed using previous version (1.98 or 1.98) procedures. I don't know if this is "typical", possibly will work fine.
    Not necessarily. It happened to me the other day when my 12.04 had Grub itself updated. Grub 1.99 made a horrible mess of the menu.

    But on my 3 x 12.10 installs when the kernel went from 3.5.0-15 to 3.5.0-16 the Grub configuration files were updated but the changes were not saved into the MBR. Grub 1.99 on 12.04 remained in control.

    To get control back onto Grub 2.0 on a 12.10 install I had to run update-grub and grub-install /dev/sda. Having earlier removed all old kernels I now get a much neater but still not perfect Grub menu.

    I do wonder what will happen when ordinary users upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10. Or, if sometime during the next five years Grub 2.0 is brought into 12.04. What kind of menu will they see?

    I am used to having the Grub menu altered every time my installs get a kernel update. I simply put my non-testing install back in charge. This is part of the job description when doing ISO testing on a single hard disk machine.

    I usually use Grub Customer. I shall test it out to see how well it copes with Grub 2 and its sub-menus.

    Regards.
    Last edited by grahammechanical; October 4th, 2012 at 01:24 PM.
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    Re: GRUB 2.0 vs GRUB 1.99 - Long Entries

    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeVita View Post
    ... but rest of your system still has previous versions of grub-associated programs. Check their versions:

    Code:
    update-grub -v
    grub-install -v
    When you boot the previous system (ex. 10,04, 12.04) which comes with grub 1.98 or 1.99, after any kernel update your grub configuration file will be changed using previous version (1.98 or 1.98) procedures. I don't know if this is "typical", possibly will work fine.

    General note: "playing" with GRUB will probably make your system not-bootable!
    Hmm, I have no problem logging in to any other system. Well, at least as of now.

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    Re: GRUB 2.0 vs GRUB 1.99 - Long Entries

    Quote Originally Posted by grahammechanical View Post
    I usually use Grub Customer.
    On my other test machine with 12 systems installed, GRUB Customizer is creating so much problems for me. It happened twice or three time so far.
    Looks like it can't handle that much of systems.

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