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    Comments on the draft Code of Conduct

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    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub...er/001659.html
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    http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sabdfl/...eOfConduct.txt

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    Lines 151-158 have this:
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    '''Teamwork'''
    
    A leader's foremost goal is the success of the team.
    
    "A virtuoso is judged by their actions; a leader is judged by the
    actions of their team." A leader knows when to act and when to step
    back. They know when to delegate work, and when to take it upon
    themselves.
    That part reads a bit odd because of the singular/plural thing. I think the idea is to be gender-neutral but it maybe possible to do it better?

    For example:
    '''Teamwork'''

    A leader's foremost goal is the success of the team.

    "Virtuosos are judged by their own actions as individuals; leaders are judged by the actions of their team." Leaders know when to act and when to step back. They know when to delegate work, and when to take it upon themselves.
    Last edited by vasa1; October 2nd, 2012 at 08:47 AM.
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    Re: Comments on the draft Code of Conduct

    Line 169-172:
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    Leadership occasionally requires bold decisions that will not be
    widely understood, consensual or popular. We value the courage to take
    such decisions, because they enable the project as a whole to move
    forward faster than we could if we required complete consensus.
    Not we, but it?
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    Re: Comments on the draft Code of Conduct

    "their" is used as an incorrect (but possibly will become correct) and alternative popular way to avoid having to use "his or her".
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    Re: Comments on the draft Code of Conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by BslBryan View Post
    "their" is used as an incorrect (but possibly will become correct) and alternative popular way to avoid having to use "his or her".
    I don't have any way to measure their popularity but i dont see why caNonical should be a early adopter
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    Re: Comments on the draft Code of Conduct

    Links ??????
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    Re: Comments on the draft Code of Conduct

    Thread moved to Forum Feedback & Help

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    Re: Comments on the draft Code of Conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiNZ View Post
    Links ??????
    To what?
    CoC?
    Here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sabdfl/...eOfConduct.txt
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    Re: Comments on the draft Code of Conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by BslBryan View Post
    "their" is used as an incorrect (but possibly will become correct) and alternative popular way to avoid having to use "his or her".
    It's not incorrect, we have no gender-neutral pronoun; at least not in the plural/unknown. while the masculine was commonly used, people now tend to use 'their'.

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    Re: Comments on the draft Code of Conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by BslBryan View Post
    "their" is used as an incorrect (but possibly will become correct) and alternative popular way to avoid having to use "his or her".
    Quote Originally Posted by vasa1 View Post
    I don't have any way to measure their popularity but i dont see why caNonical should be a early adopter
    Quote Originally Posted by Grenage View Post
    It's not incorrect, we have no gender-neutral pronoun; at least not in the plural/unknown. while the masculine was commonly used, people now tend to use 'their'.
    Right. Here is a video on merriam-webster.com explaining why "their" is becoming acceptable as a singular pronoun.

    But I agree that it may not be Canonical's desire to become an early adopter.
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    Re: Comments on the draft Code of Conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by forrestcupp View Post
    But I agree that it may not be Canonical's desire to become an early adopter.
    Don't think its early adoption. In fairly common usage and I fully support it. Used it for years myself. It would help represent the forums as a unisex community where all users are welcome and treated equally, regardless of their gender, sexuality, religion, politics or anything else one would hope. Considering this is a support forum shouldn't these things be, in a sense and in most cases, irrelevant anyway?

    Getting marginally OT there, but my two cents and +++1 for 'their'. Bit confused as why the lengthening debate. Let's just position the forums grammatically in the 21st century and be done with it. Language is inevitably and has always been dynamic, fluid and ever-changing so what's the issue?

    I was posting on a thread where a woman was called 'Sir' by the OP. Sir and madam confuse things (even though a cultural thing, it assumes that all Ubuntu Forum users must be male nerds?). He and she/his and her confuse things also in a situation like the forums where you often don't know which is appropriate. In this day and age, why simply opt for the masculine? I'd say it's almost inappropriate, despite what linguists may have to say about it.

    Finally, you don't know if a woman is reading the Code, or a transvestite who was a he but is now considered a she, so why the heck address either her as he? 'Their' is best and sign of the times. Their is only fair and right. Rant over.
    Last edited by Bucky Ball; October 2nd, 2012 at 05:30 PM.

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