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    Re: Nudity in Shopping Lens

    I think a more apt analogy would be:

    You see lots of graffiti on the drive to work, so why the fuss over a little graffiti when you look out your bedroom window? If you don't like it, notify your neighborhood association.

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    Re: Nudity in Shopping Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by effenberg0x0 View Post
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    There were a couple posts about Brazil. I find it funny that people think we're naked here.
    Oh no, we don't think you guys walk around naked at all. We do however know about very small tiny bikinis and some other things I won't mention here related to the word wax etc which grew a international following

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    Re: Nudity in Shopping Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by effenberg0x0 View Post
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    There were a couple posts about Brazil. I find it funny that people think we're naked here. I just wanted to point out that this is a 194 Million people country and we do buy clothes from the same brands available in US, Europe and Asia. All major global companies have offices here and people wear normal clothes. You can't really take your clothes off and expect the police to not arrest you. I live in the biggest city (Sao Paulo) which has 12 Million inhabitants. I haven't ever seen anyone naked in the street.

    Travel agencies here generally have pictures of Disneyland. Are all people in US using Mickey Mouse costumes?
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    I have some old microchips from the late 70's that were made in Brazil. I'll look em up! I live in the automotive capital of Canada, just south of Detroit. Strip bars and Casinos all over the place. But those are *other* spaces. Mycomputer is *myspace*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ventrical View Post
    I live in the automotive capital of Canada, just south of Detroit.
    Thank goodness I looked at google maps before replying to this :biggring:

    I was about to say how can you be in Canada when you are South of the USA but yeah we never did much geography wrt to the great lakes in school except for pin pointing them on a map and being told they are massive.

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    Re: Nudity in Shopping Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Picklesworth View Post
    The bug report which says (quite reasonably) 'please move this stuff to a shopping lens instead of dumping these results unexpectedly in the home lens'...
    +1.

    I haven't tried the latest version yet, but this really is something that worries me.

    Having it in a separate dash is fine - useful, even - but I don't want it integrated with the home dash.

    Imagine a journalist searching his own computer for "kinky bondage", because he's looking for a half-finished bit of copy called "Kinky bondage trial collapses due to police admin errors." He probably wouldn't want to be offered books about kinky bondage. He certainly wouldn't want Canonical to know that he'd searched his own computer for the phrase "kinky bondage", because without the context, that is a salacious-seeming fact.

    Imagine a law student searching her own computer for a PDF called "extreme pornography: model legislation & global review". Obviously, if the auto searches only fly off to Amazon, they won't find anything obscene - but I bet she wouldn't want searches like "extreme porn" or "extreme pornography" showing up in an access log somewhere, without any context to clarify her intent.

    You formulate search terms based on what you're searching. I'm guessing a Criminology undergraduate wouldn't search the internet for "snuff video" or "child porn" - but he might search his own hard drive for either phrase, had he been drafting an academic thesis about those topics.

    I know these aren't the most common use cases, but let's face it - they're far from unthinkable. Fundamentally, you should be able to search your own computer freely and without fear. You should never have to think, "Do I really want to type this in...?" when it's your own PC.

    So really, we need to be clear on this - someone seeing a saucy album cover that he didn't want to see, while trying to search his own PC, is just the tip of the iceberg. By itself, it's a really minor incident, but everyone needs to use her or his imagination here. If that's happening already, what else might happen?

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    Re: Nudity in Shopping Lens

    One thing many here are forgetting, is that there will be the ability to turn shopping off in the home lens, and that nothing is written in stone yet, as we are just short of a month away from final release. There has been a bug reported, and everyone that is worried about this, even though it has been doable since the previous release, and nobody mentioned it, should click the affects me button, subscribe to the it, and add your relevant comments. Posting about it here isn't going to do much more than get everyone riled up.

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    Re: Nudity in Shopping Lens

    If Shipit was still available people would be burning their CDs at the stake right now

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    Re: Nudity in Shopping Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by mips View Post
    Ok listen up. If you don't like the search results passed on from amazon then uninstall the shopping lense. What you get from the search results is the same as what you would get from doing a search on the amazon web page... it's not ubuntus responsibility to uphold your puritan values.
    I don't have any puritan values. I'm a fan of nudity. Love it.

    But people shouldn't have to opt out of seeing things that aren't on their own computers, when they try to search their own computers.

    Ubuntu targets normal users and Linux newbies ("human beings"), so it's no good saying, "Oh, you can always type such-and-such into Terminal if you don't like it." That's not compatible with the point of Ubuntu (I know you didn't actually say that, but is it instantly obvious to a Linux newbie how to uninstall the shopping results...?).

    We should all be kings of our own hard drives. People who don't have puritan values shouldn't be blocked by censorship. But equally, people who *do* have puritan values shouldn't have them challenged or overruled when they just want to search for a file on their own hard disks. That's just as bad as you getting censored, in my opinion.

    I speak not as a puritan, but rather as someone who believes that people who spend hundreds of pounds on a computer shouldn't have to fight with it to avoid seeing things that they don't like when they're not even browsing the internet.

    If we want to enable these shopping results by default, I hope it will be instantly obvious how to disable them. The first time you get Amazon results, maybe Unity could pop up a message that says, "We've included relevant results from Amazon - do you want to keep on seeing these? If you click 'no', you can always use the shopping lens."

    I think what I'm saying here is self-evidently true. The norm should be that when you search your own computer, you search your own computer - unless you opt in to other stuff. I guess some people may disagree, but equally, I guess that some people may fundamentally disagree on what a PC should do?

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    Re: Nudity in Shopping Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by rai4shu2 View Post
    I think a more apt analogy would be:

    You see lots of graffiti on the drive to work, so why the fuss over a little graffiti when you look out your bedroom window? If you don't like it, notify your neighborhood association.
    I don't agree with this counter-analogy

    When I'm looking for a file on my *own* computer, I'm not looking out of my bedroom window. I'm looking through the drawers in my bedside cabinet - or leafing through my diary - or looking under my bed. Some analogy like that.

    If I want to look out of my bedroom window, I'll fire up Chromium, or a newsreader, or a mailer, or some other app that offers a glimpse of the world outside.

    Yes, it's good that I can see what's outside when I'm sitting at home. But it should be me that decides to open the curtains in the morning.

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    Re: Nudity in Shopping Lens

    Just for clarity, I think an online shopping lens (starting with Amazon) is a fantastic idea. And I can see myself using it a lot, and even opting to have Amazon results included in my home lens by default. But it shouldn't catch anyone by surprise, and I think it should be "opt in" rather than "opt out".

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