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    Re: New computer build

    Quote Originally Posted by mips View Post
    Motherboard $135
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157293 includes free 8GB ram.

    Ram additional 8GB $42
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231546

    CPU 15-3570k $230
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116504

    Total for the above is $407

    You need to decide whether you want 8 or 16GB of ram as it makes a $42 difference in price we can allocate towards a SSD & chssis.
    Using a i7-3770k CPU would push the cost beyond your budget, it's $100 more than the i5.
    I'm certainly going for 16 Gb RAM. My build has a water cooling system, which I have never had before. I would like to give that a try.

    AMD vs. Intel? Are the i5s and i7s so much better than the AM3+ to justify a huge price difference? So far I am leaning toward the AMD line. I've had great luck with both brands. My Phenom was great and my servers all have 2 Xeons, which are pretty amazing as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Statia View Post
    8GB is already more than you will ever need for the described use (I push on 4GB only when I have VirtualBox running which I gave 2GB for Windows XP).
    Need and want are two different things. Did you ever buy a car with exactly as much horsepower as you generally need? 42 bucks for double RAM is worth it IMO. This is a fun build. If 8Gb sticks were affordable, there would be 4 of those instead.
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    Re: New computer build

    Quote Originally Posted by wednesday allfather View Post
    AMD vs. Intel? Are the i5s and i7s so much better than the AM3+ to justify a huge price difference? So far I am leaning toward the AMD line. I've had great luck with both brands. My Phenom was great and my servers all have 2 Xeons, which are pretty amazing as well.
    Unless you are a hardcore gamer or have certain specific requirements I would say no. I would however pick the FX-8150 that is clocked higher and costs $30 more.

    Now wrt to the motherboard I'm gonna plant a little seed in your head as this is something I'm definitely planning on my next build.
    Get a motherboard that supports hardware virtualisation (AMD-Vi" or earlier known as IOMMU).

    Why do I say this? Do you like dual booting just to play a game in Windows or would you prefer not to reboot? If you installed Xen hypervisor (VM) then you can run both windows and linux on top of the hypervisor and AMD-V will allow Windows direct access to the GPU as you would have on a normal windows install. Granted you can only give one OS direct access to the GPU but you said you have plenty of GPUs lying around so you can install another GPU with much lower specs for linux as you don't really require much gpu power in linux, something like old 6600-8600GT will be plenty for linux. Picking a motherboard with the correct specs could be a bit limiting and if you are keen on this route shout as I will get you some links (I recently looked at Intel boards to do this.)
    http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/VTd_HowTo Srcoll down to 'AMD desktop chipsets with IOMMU support'

    Something else to keep in mind is AMD will be releasing their new Piledriver CPUs in Q4 2012 which are supposed to have improvements over the existing bulldozer line. So if you wan't to wait a bit you could get something better.

    Either way AMD will be a good build option

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    Re: New computer build

    Quote Originally Posted by wednesday allfather View Post
    Need and want are two different things. Did you ever buy a car with exactly as much horsepower as you generally need? 42 bucks for double RAM is worth it IMO. This is a fun build. If 8Gb sticks were affordable, there would be 4 of those instead.
    That's why I went with 8 instead of 4, though 4 would have been sufficient. I could have stuck in 16, but I found it not worth it. Of course each makes his own decisions, but your original question was about a tight budget, in that case I wouldn't stuff money in amounts of RAM I would never fill.

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    Re: New computer build

    Oh, and for the car metaphor: at over $9 per gallon, no, you don't buy a lot more horsepower than you need

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    Re: New computer build

    Quote Originally Posted by Statia View Post
    Oh, and for the car metaphor: at over $9 per gallon, no, you don't buy a lot more horsepower than you need
    Yikes! Perhaps you would like one of my scooters.

    I'd imagine at that price, cars in general would be hard to sell. Heck, gas powered anythings.
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    Re: New computer build

    Quote Originally Posted by mips View Post
    Unless you are a hardcore gamer or have certain specific requirements I would say no. I would however pick the FX-8150 that is clocked higher and costs $30 more.

    Now wrt to the motherboard I'm gonna plant a little seed in your head as this is something I'm definitely planning on my next build.
    Get a motherboard that supports hardware virtualisation (AMD-Vi" or earlier known as IOMMU).

    Why do I say this? Do you like dual booting just to play a game in Windows or would you prefer not to reboot? If you installed Xen hypervisor (VM) then you can run both windows and linux on top of the hypervisor and AMD-V will allow Windows direct access to the GPU as you would have on a normal windows install. Granted you can only give one OS direct access to the GPU but you said you have plenty of GPUs lying around so you can install another GPU with much lower specs for linux as you don't really require much gpu power in linux, something like old 6600-8600GT will be plenty for linux. Picking a motherboard with the correct specs could be a bit limiting and if you are keen on this route shout as I will get you some links (I recently looked at Intel boards to do this.)
    http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/VTd_HowTo Srcoll down to 'AMD desktop chipsets with IOMMU support'

    Something else to keep in mind is AMD will be releasing their new Piledriver CPUs in Q4 2012 which are supposed to have improvements over the existing bulldozer line. So if you wan't to wait a bit you could get something better.

    Either way AMD will be a good build option
    This looks pretty cool. I can probably wait until November. My interest is piqued by the Steamroller line, though. I can't wait that long, but that might be worth the upgrade or worth selling the Piledriver box and starting a new build. My wife would be happy to see 2 more cases out of my office.

    Either way, I feel like AMD is the way to go for me.
    "If brute force doesn't solve your problems, then you aren't using enough."

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    Re: New computer build

    Quote Originally Posted by wednesday allfather View Post
    Yikes! Perhaps you would like one of my scooters.

    I'd imagine at that price, cars in general would be hard to sell. Heck, gas powered anythings.
    Welcome to socialist Europe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statia View Post
    Welcome to socialist Europe...
    But at least we all have health insurance

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    Re: New computer build

    Quote Originally Posted by mips View Post
    Something else to keep in mind is AMD will be releasing their new Piledriver CPUs in Q4 2012 which are supposed to have improvements over the existing bulldozer line.
    I have a Bulldozer 8150, I will have to resist buying the new 8350. $230 AUS here but there is always the pain of prising the old cpu off . And the knowledge that the performance difference will not be all that noticeable...
    You think that's air you're breathing now?

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    Re: New computer build

    Done:

    Code:
    andrew@skamandros~$ uname -p
    AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor
    You think that's air you're breathing now?

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