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    Quality in ubuntu Survey

    Here's an invitation to all of you to add your opinion to a little survey on quality perceptions in ubuntu. Your feedback is appreciated. I'll be using the results to help drive discussions on continuing forward as a community and where and how we should focus.

    http://www.theorangenotebook.com/201...ns-survey.html

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    Ok .. I filled out the survey and I just wanted to report that I think the quality of Ubuntu has regressed greatly, especially with nautilus and the newer desktop concept of "me". The developers of Nautilus have to get rid of that "me" in the permissions and restore it to the rightful end_user. Although Nautilus is not the only file manager for Ubuntu , some consider it a keepsake with certain juju and mojo. If we play with nautilus in the way it has been finestered then Ubuntu as a whole looses it's mojo. That is contrary to the Ubuntu concept.

    I know that Ubuntu is cutting edge but when we try to break long standing conventions then we are opening a plethora of holes and chasms. Ubuntu has to start considering new "keepsakes" computer concepts especially for those who have been working the OS for a great amount of time.

    However.. I stand by Ubuntu as being the best OS on the planet! Bugs and all.!
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    I think the quality of development versions has increased. Thats a very good point!

    What could be improve are the stable versions: the clear problem is that it takes 1 - 2 months after a release until the biggest "little" bugs are fixed.

    What also could be improved to send developers to - I call it - "core apps" that have not so many devs like for example GIMP or Rhythmbox to implement bug fixes or even feature wishes.

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    Re: Quality in ubuntu Survey

    I think Ubuntu has come along well, but its some of the components that aren't up to scratch.

    Nautilus is a good file manager, but their new interface really doesn't suit Unity.

    The new update manager doesn't allow enough easy control over the updates, Im happy enough that security updates get installed, but I don't really want numerous nightly repos being updated on a daily basis.

    I would have said Compiz has been a let down, but its looking better so far in Quantal.

    On the plus side its great to have the new nvidia cards working straight away and its so easy now to get surround sound output via HDMI

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    they need to get launch pad working right if they expect to continue getting quality reports from experienced users . I'm getting sick of it randomly sending me to the oops page and some (explicative deleted ) bot marking legitimate bugs "invalid' before a human even gets a look at them . what ever 'improvements" they made to LP undo them .
    if it ain't broke you haven't tweaked it enough

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    Re: Quality in ubuntu Survey

    What most of you are mentioning, are external issues, that have nothing to do with the quality of Ubuntu. Actually if all you can find to complain about are external issues, that says quite a bit about the quality.

    I personally think that the quality of the code we are getting has been very good. I haven't had one time since the start of this development cycle where my system hasn't been usable, this says a lot about how the focus on quality and testing has made development versions almost boring to use.

    As far as Gnome components go, you all know the proper place to make complaints and file bugs. Just in case you have forgotten, this is the place.

    For launchpad, if you are having problems, file a bug against launchpad, the devs there are quite responsive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thotz View Post
    I think the quality of development versions has increased. Thats a very good point!

    What could be improve are the stable versions: the clear problem is that it takes 1 - 2 months after a release until the biggest "little" bugs are fixed.

    What also could be improved to send developers to - I call it - "core apps" that have not so many devs like for example GIMP or Rhythmbox to implement bug fixes or even feature wishes.
    Heh, are you saying 12.04.1 should be 12.04? There's always a point in time when you have to cut the cord and publish something. If your an LTS user, the upgrade manager shouldn't prompt to upgrade to the new LTS until the .1 release partly for that reason.

    However, I do agree with your premise. I think this is where we as a ubuntu QA community can "step up" to make the .0 release more reliable. We'll never eliminate the "wait for the .1 mantra", but we can certainly make the .0 experience much better for the rest of the ubuntu community. All the pain you feel by running quantal now can be alleviated for other community members -- follow-up and own the issues you find. When you help get them squashed you can now that there are untold numbers of people who will never experience that pain Not a bad thought to fall asleep to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitara View Post
    Heh, are you saying 12.04.1 should be 12.04? There's always a point in time when you have to cut the cord and publish something. If your an LTS user, the upgrade manager shouldn't prompt to upgrade to the new LTS until the .1 release partly for that reason.

    However, I do agree with your premise. I think this is where we as a ubuntu QA community can "step up" to make the .0 release more reliable. We'll never eliminate the "wait for the .1 mantra", but we can certainly make the .0 experience much better for the rest of the ubuntu community. All the pain you feel by running quantal now can be alleviated for other community members -- follow-up and own the issues you find. When you help get them squashed you can now that there are untold numbers of people who will never experience that pain Not a bad thought to fall asleep to.
    Regarding this:

    Heh, are you saying 12.04.1 should be 12.04? There's always a point in time when you have to cut the cord and publish something. If your an LTS user, the upgrade manager shouldn't prompt to upgrade to the new LTS until the .1 release partly for that reason.
    I very much think you make a good point. In fact I'm focusing on three bugs that I consider important:

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...el/+bug/988290

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ty/+bug/987418

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...d/+bug/1019621

    Those three are of course only my top three bugs to squash for 12.04.1

    But there seems to be no focus on the LTS point releases. As much as the QA Tracker has improved we still get maybe 5 days to try and intensively fix bugs before the LTS point releases and they always have been highly neglected

    Why can't more focus be put forward on 12.04.1

    Maybe even here at the forums

    But particularly at QA

    When I report bugs against 12.04.1 using the QA Tracker currently it just says that they're being reported as "archived" testing and it seems to do no good.

    It's easy to see how testers just decide they're wasting their time at some point

    That's not my personal opinion, but I'm rather stalwart when it comes to adversity. I think QA has made a lot of good changes, but at some point there needs to be more focus on QA from within Canonical, and I think step #1 has to be improving communication with all of the various teams.

    Communication + collaboration = success. A good example of where that broke down is any of those three aforementioned bugs, particularly the Abiword bug

    Maybe we could begin here at the forums with an Ubuntu +1 PP point release sub-forum. I thought about trying to mention that somewhere but my plate is full, full, full!

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    Unity Testing too now kaput ?

    I'm just wondering of the Unity Testing too is obsoleted or 'deprecated'?
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    Re: Unity Testing too now kaput ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ventrical View Post
    I'm just wondering of the Unity Testing too is obsoleted or 'deprecated'?
    Seems to me with the low breakage we have seen in 12.04 and 12.10 that testing is just about video cards and maybe wifi. Intel has it locked up with Linux and Unity is likely not hardware sensitive.

    With the last update Unity is half-way broken but the devs know that and it will all come together shortly as the fixes all get into place.
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