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    full screen magnification in gnopernicus or other magnifier?

    Hi

    The biggest reason i havn't fully switched over to linux yet is that i need a screen magnifier for most of my computer tasks. Its unfortunate that gnopernicus looks so terrible by default. Its kind of a catch22 in that i need scrren magnification to see the screen to configure proper full screen magnification. Has anybody else gotten full screen magnification working yet?

    better yet, are there any other known screen magnifiers that just work prooperly by default? i am surprised that this is so hard to accomplish. I have had a smooth screen magnifier in windows for over a decade now with zoomtext,where fullscrren magnification is no problem.

    I found a guide and i ahve some free time this weekend so if i figure how to get gnopernicus to work decently, i'll post my experience.

    thanks for any addition help, if anybody else feels like giving it a try.

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    Re: full screen magnification in gnopernicus or other magnifier?

    I don't use full-screen magnification, but there is a guide in the Ubuntu Wiki that shows how to set that up.

    Anyway, I think gnopernicus/gnome-mag is dead. It's a resource hog, it locks up all the time and displays crappy magnification. Everybody is waiting for the new compiz-mag. I hope this project won't be abandoned in the middle of the road too.

    Does anybody know how this project is progressing? When can we expect an alpha or beta? Or is it already available?
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    Re: full screen magnification in gnopernicus or other magnifier?

    oh wow, that sucks that gnopernicus is not being worked on any longer. In its current state, the magnifier really isn't usable. That new project looks interesting. I am also curious as to when there will be a usable version. I would be willing to try the beta even.

    What are you using for screen magnification right now linbetwin, seeing as you dislike gnopernicus as much as i do.?

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    Re: full screen magnification in gnopernicus or other magnifier?

    Quote Originally Posted by yellowband
    What are you using for screen magnification right now linbetwin, seeing as you dislike gnopernicus as much as i do.?
    I use Windows XP and the simple magnifier included. It hasn't changed at all since Windows 98SE and it's the same in Vista beta 2, but it just works. No funky features, no excess of configuration options, no lockups, 3,5 MB of RAM consumption, easy on the CPU too, pointer and cursor tracking. docking, smooth rendering... and that's about it. I tried the ZoomText trial, but I don't need 90 % of its features and I can't afford it.

    During the Dapper development I suggested on the accessibility mailing list that the default configuration of gnome-mag be changed (8x magnification and placement in the lower third of the screen). It was done like this for a while, but then somebody decided to place the magnification window elsewhere and they have managed to completely hide the menu box. They couldn't have hid it better if they tried! Novice users won't even know there's a menu box from which you can change settings. Who will tell them they have to press ALT+F2 and then ALT+F3 to open a configuration dialog that can't be seen?

    I also ranted on the mailing list about the fact that nobody in the Linux world seems to care or know anything about accessibility. Daniel Holbach scolded me and avdised me to file bug reports. So I did (see bugs 36008 and 36013), but did anybody do anything about them? Ubuntu likes to stress its commitment to accessibility, but so far it is no more accessible than any other "major" distribution. There has been a lot a work put into making the LiveCD accessible, but let me tell you something: I can find a friend or relative to help me install Ubuntu - it only takes 30 minutes or so - but I can't use Ubuntu if gnome-mag locks up all the time and can't track keyboard editing.
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    Re: full screen magnification in gnopernicus or other magnifier?

    As a new linux user I'm shocked that accessability (at least as far as screen magnification goes) is so scattered. Windows has had a screen magnifier that works very well for at least a decade (zoomtext). I'm not knocking linux again as a windows user. i want to commit to linux, learn it well and switch over completely but not being able to read what's on the screen is a pretty big drawback. I can't believe that here aren't any other users like me out there and thatscreen magnification is so undeveleoped.

    What would you suggest is teh best way to get involved and contribute? Where are these maling lists and who do i need to email to raise such issues. Who do i contact to get on some beta testing lsts? Where can i find some resourses on screen magnification development? This is one thing that frustrates me in linux right now. i am finding it hard to locate the information and development project that are essential to me.

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    Re: full screen magnification in gnopernicus or other magnifier?

    hi,

    I have a big review/guide I am working on for the full screen magnifier for gnome-mag. Was I talking to you through email about this? I have the full screen working very well in Ubuntu. Do you have this document yet? Do you want to work with me on this.

    This might be of interest to you
    xmcm.sourceforge.net

    a project a good number of us are working on. Interested?
    Proud low vision user of Ubuntu
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    Re: full screen magnification in gnopernicus or other magnifier?

    hey jason,
    did you get the email i sent you a while ago? I'm definately interested in both compiz-mag and xmcm. And in getting involved in general. I have ubuntu as my fulltime OS now, but its getting hard on the eyes wihtout any software magnification.

    I tried installing xgl/compiz on my laptop (in anticipation for compiz-mag to be finished soon) but getting that going was hellish. I refverted back to my mesa drivers for the time being.

    What is this xmcm exactly? does it work to the point where full screen magnification could be used on a regular basis for most purposes? if so, i can probably bring my laptop to my school and have a nerd help me get it going.

    keep me posted, preferably at minofifa@gmail.com.

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    Re: full screen magnification in gnopernicus or other magnifier?

    Excuse me if I sound stupid...but what about the "Zoom" feature in XGL/Compiz?

    Works perfectly as screen magnification...
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    Re: full screen magnification in gnopernicus or other magnifier?

    It's a good start, but the Zoom feature doesn't let you work with the desktop while it's zoomed and it doesn't read desktop info from the AT-SPI framework. (magnification for low-vision is more than just Zoom).

    We have been working on it for a few months though, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs/compiz-mag

    If you know compiz well, feel free to help out
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    Re: full screen magnification in gnopernicus or other magnifier?

    Quote Originally Posted by pixelPOET View Post
    Excuse me if I sound stupid...but what about the "Zoom" feature in XGL/Compiz?

    Works perfectly as screen magnification...
    Like Henrik said its a good start, but its not usable for the Desktop. There is a great need for a full screen magnifier similiar to Zoomtext. There is a trial run of Zoomtext for Windows if you want to compare the zoom to a really full fledged magnifier. Zoomtext has come a long way, and we have a lot of catching up to do
    Proud low vision user of Ubuntu
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