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    win xp win 8 and ubuntu 11.10 triboot

    I have managed to install windows 8 consumer preview and ubuntu 11.10 on the same hard drive
    As i have installed upgraded and aupdeted grub have the choice of os after grub loads.

    Everything was working as expected.

    I then thought how great it would be if i can put xp on another hdd and i would be able to play my pc games online(ubuntu not quite running the games(POL,wine, steam no good certainly compared to xp, win8 gives unknown api and servers kick me)

    So after connecting second hdd to ide ribbon as slave and installing xp can only boot to xp.
    Tried choosing first hdd at boot (for win 8 and ubuntu)but no errors just eventually boots xp.

    XP is running sweet but when i reboot system boots straight into xp.(no win 8 or ubuntu choice)

    How do i boot to ubuntu to update grub?
    Do i add xp option to windows bootloader in win8? How?


    How do i get to grub screen that will give me all boot options?

    My research has been enlightening but i do not understand or have the familiarity to use fully what i have been learning.

    The three OS's i am trying to install all have different bootloaders/managers.
    Because of reinstallation losing boot ability and booting to installation media means it is making it harder for me to reference what i have been reading. (no bookmarks)Finding the same how to seems to be proving difficult. not complaining trying to explain why i am posting





    This is not the first time round and before using boot repair live cd again thought i would post for direction as it got me ubuntu and win 8 but lost xp last time round.

    How do i set up so at boot i have option to boot to either win 8, win xp or ubuntu?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: win xp win 8 and ubuntu 11.10 triboot

    So you installed it like this:

    Windows 8 first
    Ubuntu second
    and XP third.

    Note that older Windows supersede the bootloaders of newer Windows versions. And all Windows versions supersede the Linux bootloaders.

    IOW, a Linux installer will care to check if Windows is there, but an old Windows installer won't care about Linux or newer Windows versions, but newer Windows versions care about older Windows installs, but not about Linux.

    I doubt if anything can be done in this case.

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    Re: win xp win 8 and ubuntu 11.10 triboot

    Hi flurospar

    Windows 8 first
    Ubuntu second
    and XP third.
    Yep.
    Win 8 and ubuntu on hdd0 and xp on hdd 1

    I doubt if anything can be done in this case.
    well there are plenty of posts indicating otherwise here is a link to one i am referring to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1271600&page=2

    It would appear boot-repair could be the answer https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair

    On my previous attempt (when after connecting and installing xp hdd to ubuntu/win8 hdd system and on reboot only xp boots) used boot repair to try and fix(after using ubuntu live usb session to install and run boot repair)the result of which on rebooting grub would load automatically and give me the choice of linux kernels and windows recovery option. Loading windows recovery option got me into windows 8 but could not see xp from ubuntu or windows 8.(or grub)

    Apperently using gpart(or boot repair) to remove boot flag from other windows installations (either on same hdd or not) before installing second windows os helps give each os its own grub entry...

    Here is a link to the results of my (most recent)boot repair scan


    Please note the following URL:
    http://paste.ubuntu.com/923195/
    If you still experience boot problems, indicate this URL to:
    boot.repair@gmail.com
    or to your favorite support forum.
    No change has been performed on your computer. See you soon!

    Hope that helps in helping folks to help
    Last edited by Geezanansa; April 10th, 2012 at 02:06 PM.

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    Re: win xp win 8 and ubuntu 11.10 triboot

    Where did xp boot files go ?

    :refURL:
    http://paste.ubuntu.com/923195/

    So after booting ubuntu live usb to get into ubuntu session no xp boot files?

    Is windows 8 bootloader managing xp boot files?

    How do i get grub to manage/show all installed os's at grub menu on boot?

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    Re: win xp win 8 and ubuntu 11.10 triboot

    to recap boot repair scan files were prepared as report i did not run the boot repair fix(http://paste.ubuntu.com/923195/. If i apply fix i lose xp but get ubuntu/win8 option at boot. I do not know how to access xp if boot repair fix applied.
    After making last post i tried rebooting and xp loads-no grub menu to select ubuntu/win8.
    After rebooting to ubuntu live usb my familiar ubuntu desktop has appeared (not live session(???))

    All i want is three os's on my system with the ability to choose which os at boot.

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    Re: win xp win 8 and ubuntu 11.10 triboot

    Found this again
    Quote Originally Posted by oldfred View Post
    Boot Repair:
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
    You can repair many boot issues with this or post the link to a run of boot info script so we can see your exact configuration.

    To understand Windows multibooting with BIOS and MBR. Not new UEFI.

    To get each MS to have its own boot loader make a second primary NTFS partition and set its boot flag on, then install the 2nd product in it. Multibooters, Pictures here worth 1000+ words
    http://www.multibooters.co.uk/multiboot.html

    If you want two entries in grub you may have to repair your second windows install if it is a primary partition. Otherwise both Windows will be one entry in grub and then Windows will ofter the two choices of Windows versions.
    A user who installed two windows & it worked to boot from grub directly
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1271600
    Note that older Windows supersede the bootloaders of newer Windows versions. And all Windows versions supersede the Linux bootloaders.

    IOW, a Linux installer will care to check if Windows is there, but an old Windows installer won't care about Linux or newer Windows versions, but newer Windows versions care about older Windows installs, but not about Linux.

    I doubt if anything can be done in this case.
    Try looking at this http://www.multibooters.co.uk/multiboot.html and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1271600


    What does IOW mean?

    Sorry might not be catching on to what you mean, are you saying no can do? Doesnt grub manage all the mbr and dependent files wether windows or linux?

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    Re: win xp win 8 and ubuntu 11.10 triboot

    and this
    Quote Originally Posted by oldfred View Post
    Win7 combines its boot loader with XP, so only one windows boots and then you choose from that. You cannot then directly boot from grub to both windows.

    One workaround I saw but have not seen anyone confirm was to turn off the boot flag on the first windows install. The second install will not see the first and installs standalone. You then cannot boot both windows from windows but can from grub.

    Both windows have to be in primary partitions. Some installs of win7 after XP will install to a logical partition and will work only because the boot is really from the XP install in the primary partition.

    Vista copies boot manager to one
    http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p15.html#BOOTMGR_is_missing
    Moral of the story - look on other NTFS partitions for the missing bootmgr and Boot directory.
    which was found here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1271600

    This thread recommends installing xp>win7>ubuntu
    i am using win8 so i should try installing xp>win8>ubuntu

    Been finding these waiting on boot repair running.

    Had a look in advanced settings and seperated boot partition on xp drive sda2.

    Reboot next.



    I ran boot repair from terminal and on shutdown when finished this was in terminal
    Code:
    (glade2script:2231): Gtk-WARNING **: Could not load image 'os-uninstaller.png': Failed to open file '/usr/share/boot-sav/os-uninstaller.png': No such file or directory
    
    (glade2script:2231): Gtk-WARNING **: Could not load image 'os-uninstaller.png': Failed to open file '/usr/share/boot-sav/os-uninstaller.png': No such file or directory
    Traceback (most recent call last):
      File "/usr/bin/glade2script", line 2339, in set_widget
        exec( arg )
      File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
      File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/types.py", line 43, in function
        return info.invoke(*args, **kwargs)
    gi._glib.GError: Failed to open file 'boot-repair.png': No such file or directory
    Traceback (most recent call last):
      File "/usr/bin/glade2script", line 2339, in set_widget
        exec( arg )
      File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
      File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/types.py", line 43, in function
        return info.invoke(*args, **kwargs)
    gi._glib.GError: Failed to open file 'boot-repair.png': No such file or directory
    Last edited by Geezanansa; April 10th, 2012 at 03:57 PM.

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    Re: win xp win 8 and ubuntu 11.10 triboot

    Did you at least review the pictures on the multibooters site. That helps to understand how Windows (and BIOS/MBR based) works.

    Windows only know how to boot from one primary partition with the boot flag. The Windows MBR only knows to jump to the active partition (boot flag in Linux) and boot from there. So multiple installs of Windows literally combine the boot files into the active partition. Grub will boot each version of Windows but you have to split them (and maybe repair them when split).

    Boot files:
    WinXP
    /boot.ini /ntldr /NTDETECT.COM
    Vista/7 (with 7 the first two files are usually in a separate 100MB boot partition)
    /bootmgr /Boot/BCD /Windows/System32/winload.exe

    Backup all the boot files. Move the XP boot files to the XP partition and repair the PBR or partition boot sector. Boot.ini in XP already says rdisk(1) so it knows it is in sdb. You may also have to edit BCD with bcdEdit in Windows7 to remove the XP entries.

    You mentioned IDE type cables for hard drives. Does you BIOS let you choose which drive to boot? Most older IDE systems set boot with jumpers on drive (or location on cable), new SATA drives do not have jumpers and use BIOS to choose boot drive.
    Screen shots of changing Thread to Solved
    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnansweredPo.../SolvedThreads
    For info on UEFI boot install & repair:
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295




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    Re: win xp win 8 and ubuntu 11.10 triboot

    I am posting asking for help. As a relatively new user have been really struggling to catch on how to do what i need to and posted asking for help. Really working out what is what and trying what other posters/threads recommend or worked for them.(if confident in relevancy)

    Thank you oldfred i have found your input in other folks threads more than clear and precise instruction with plenty of reference to help posters/viewers/community understand how and why what you think. This is a lot more helpful than folks posting and just saying what they think.

    Did you at least review the pictures on the multibooters site. That helps to understand how Windows (and BIOS/MBR based) works.
    I did find the pictures very helpful to get an overview of what and how is happening at boot time after posting.
    There are a lot of reading hours also on learning and understanding why.

    Boot repair does not see xp boot files so not sure how to access/move or copy them.(see boot repair log here http://paste.ubuntu.com/923195/ )
    has windows 8 taken over bootloader/manager for xp?

    Does you BIOS let you choose which drive to boot?
    F11 gives boot option and both hdd show in list but need to do some rebooting so i can update/recap on what is happening when system boots



    signing off for now

    Would like to confirm that all i am trying to achieve is a system with win xp(sdb1) win 8 consumer preview(sda1) and ubuntu 11.10(sda2) with the option of what to boot to at boot time(grub)
    Last edited by Geezanansa; April 10th, 2012 at 04:39 PM.

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    Re: win xp win 8 and ubuntu 11.10 triboot

    Does Windows 8 let you make a repairCD or USB? I only have XP.

    I downloaded the Windows 7 repair ISO and made a USB flash drive. I found chkdsk worked better from the Windows 7 repair than from XP but had to use the Windows 7 bootsect.exe to restore an XP boot sector as the chkdsk converted it to Windows 7.

    Make your own Windows repairCD (not vendor recovery):
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/w...em-repair-disc
    http://forums.techarena.in/guides-tutorials/1114725.htm

    Windows 7 repair USB, Also Vista if service pack installed
    http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-re...tion-dvd-disc/
    http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/creat...usb-drive.html

    I only know a few basic commands for Windows repairs and have to search Windows forums for anything major.
    Screen shots of changing Thread to Solved
    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnansweredPo.../SolvedThreads
    For info on UEFI boot install & repair:
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295




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