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    The non-pae mini.iso testing thread

    NEW, I typed a basic summary regarding the use of the mini.iso here to compliment another upcoming thread.

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    This is quite a preliminary look at the non-pae mini.iso so cut me a lot of slack. I need as much help as possible. Please point out any errors and I'll try my best to sort things out. Since each full installation is quite time consuming I invite anyone interested to join in.

    So, what is this and why is it needed?

    Please read:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...16&postcount=1

    Be sure and check the links and also look at this bug report:

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ux/+bug/930447

    I'm referring to the mini.iso image listed here:

    http://www.us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubu...tboot/non-pae/

    When I initially tried the 20120208 non-pae mini.iso I encountered a problem with networking but that ended up being a BIOS problem that I've since resolved.

    Next the 20120208 non-pae mini.iso failed to find kernel modules, but that was resolved with the 20120209 image.

    So I moved ahead to begin testing the whole thing. If you're familiar with the Debian installer this will all seem quite straight forward to you. Additionally I found a good guide with screenshots here:

    This is now a bad link:

    http://xbmcmediacenter.com/how-to-in...untu-mini-iso/

    If you're not familiar with the Debian installer I'll try to answer your questions, but the basics are:

    * You really need a fast wired ethernet connection. My ethernet speed is 5000kbps+ and the average total installation time is 1 hour and 45 minutes.

    * After selecting the installation language you'll be offered 4 choices:

    Install
    Command-line install
    Advanced options
    Help

    Under advanced options you're offered:

    Back
    Expert install
    Command-line expert install
    Rescue mode

    For our purposes I'm focusing only on Install ATM so just select Install!

    * You'll be asked to select your language & country/territory

    * You'll be asked if you want the installer to detect your keyboard layout or proceed with the default (I always just select No when asked and the US keyboard defaults seem fine for me).

    * Specify the hostname for your system - this may confuse new users, but I typically use my first name accompanied by some computer ID or location, eg; john-AMD-desktop, or john-INTEL-laptop (this probably needs more specific instruction). This will be how your computer is recognized on your network.

    * Choose the proper archive mirror

    * HTTP proxy - I'm totally clueless here as I've never dealt with such

    * Naturally you'll be asked for your full name, a user name, and a password just as with any installer.

    * Encrypt home directory? I've never done so, but this may be helpful to others:

    http://askubuntu.com/questions/37/wh...er-what-does-t

    * Time zone - should be self explanatory

    * Partitioning - this gets rather complex so I'll not get into detail here, any help locating a simple but complete guide would be appreciated. One nice thing here is that the "Use largest continuous free space" option still exists.

    * After quite some time you'll be asked about how to handle updates - Select 'No Automatic Updates' (trust me)

    * Next you will be offered a lot of installation options, including a lot of different server options. My sole focus is on desktop installations, I've never set up a server anyway, so I'm clueless in regards to that.

    It's a long list, you must use the keyboard arrow keys to scroll down the entire list. Those of interest to me ATM:

    Lubuntu minimal install
    Ubuntu LXDE desktop (this is actually Lubuntu desktop)
    Ubuntu desktop

    But both Xubuntu desktop and Kubuntu desktop are available if someone else wishes to test them. There is a complete list of options here:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...5&postcount=21

    * When the installation is nearly done you'll be asked if you want to install grub to the mbr, typically you'll want to select yes.

    I'm going to try and keep bug report info updated in this post:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...09&postcount=2

    Great fun ahead
    Last edited by kansasnoob; April 16th, 2012 at 11:13 AM. Reason: Added a bit about grub, Lubuntu, bug reports, HTTP proxy, encrypt home, tasksel

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    Re: The non-pae mini.iso testing thread

    I'm going to try and keep bug report info updated in this post as much as humanly possible.

    Bugs filed so far:

    Precise non-pae mini.iso offers Ubuntu LXDE desktop rather than Lubuntu desktop

    Precise non-pae mini.iso installation results in incomplete language support warning

    And potential bugs not yet filed:

    Precise non-pae mini.iso disc is difficult to remove when installation completes

    Ain't life a joy
    Last edited by kansasnoob; February 13th, 2012 at 02:31 PM.

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    Cool Re: The non-pae mini.iso testing thread

    Hmmm. My non-pae non-NX bit IBM Thinkpad T40 (circa 2005) 1.5 gHz Pentium M is running lubuntu precise pangolin daily build 20120207 updated to today just fine. There have been a couple daily builds that did a check for the pae flag, finding none, quit.

    My opinion, precise pangolin should just keep on booting up and run.

    Yes if I check precise pangolin says pae=y whatever that means, and there's some workaround for the NX bit mentioned in dmesg. See the thread on pae.

    Jerry

    My opinion, don't need a total mini, just small enough to comfortably fit on a 700 MB CD.

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    Re: The non-pae mini.iso testing thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jerrylamos View Post
    Hmmm. My non-pae non-NX bit IBM Thinkpad T40 (circa 2005) 1.5 gHz Pentium M is running lubuntu precise pangolin daily build 20120207 updated to today just fine. There have been a couple daily builds that did a check for the pae flag, finding none, quit.

    My opinion, precise pangolin should just keep on booting up and run.

    Yes if I check precise pangolin says pae=y whatever that means, and there's some workaround for the NX bit mentioned in dmesg. See the thread on pae.

    Jerry

    My opinion, don't need a total mini, just small enough to comfortably fit on a 700 MB CD.
    But many people are already encountering problems:

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ux/+bug/930447

    I particularly know that Jan Claeys is reliable:

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...47/comments/24

    As I said in my previous thread:

    If you have effected hardware please report it!

    If your hardware is not effected but you still want to do some testing please test the non-pae mini.iso:

    Or install Lucid and/or Oneiric, then upgrade and be sure that non-pae remains non-pae.
    I have no effected hardware but I think it's reasonable to expect that very few people will test the non-pae official installation/upgrade procedure so I chose to do so

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    Re: The non-pae mini.iso testing thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jerrylamos View Post
    Hmmm. My non-pae non-NX bit IBM Thinkpad T40 (circa 2005) 1.5 gHz Pentium M is running lubuntu precise pangolin daily build 20120207 updated to today just fine. There have been a couple daily builds that did a check for the pae flag, finding none, quit.

    My opinion, precise pangolin should just keep on booting up and run.

    Yes if I check precise pangolin says pae=y whatever that means, and there's some workaround for the NX bit mentioned in dmesg. See the thread on pae.

    Jerry

    My opinion, don't need a total mini, just small enough to comfortably fit on a 700 MB CD.
    BTW I specifically asked in my OP:

    If you have opinions or questions about pae vs non-pae please post them here:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1919647
    If people persist in taking this thread off topic I will NOT hesitate to ask the mods to jail OT posts!

    If you don't want to test the non-pae mini.iso then just don't do it.

    I prefer metacity or openbox over compiz but you don't see me posting to every compiz thread suggesting others just change window managers!

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    Re: The non-pae mini.iso testing thread

    This is the netboot install I mentioned in Lucid testing, FWIW. There's a little info in the archives.

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    Re: The non-pae mini.iso testing thread

    Just saw the topic.. consider me in kansas.. I will start downloading the non-pae mini.iso again tonight and trying to install tomorrow. Any additional thing you want me to try to save time let me know.

    Like you my hardware will run the pae kernel just fine.. But we might help some users with pae problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nm_geo View Post
    Just saw the topic.. consider me in kansas.. I will start downloading the non-pae mini.iso again tonight and trying to install tomorrow. Any additional thing you want me to try to save time let me know.

    Like you my hardware will run the pae kernel just fine.. But we might help some users with pae problems.
    Welcome aboard

    It's been so long since I even used the mini.iso I think today I'll try the standard PAE version just to make comparisons.

    One of the nice things about using the mini.iso is that you always get the most recently updated packages, and they typically don't rebuild the images frequently.

    The standard pae version is here:

    http://www.us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubu...mages/netboot/

    And, for that matter, the non-pae is also listed there. No change since 20120209.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kansasnoob View Post
    Welcome aboard

    It's been so long since I even used the mini.iso I think today I'll try the standard PAE version just to make comparisons.

    One of the nice things about using the mini.iso is that you always get the most recently updated packages, and they typically don't rebuild the images frequently.

    The standard pae version is here:

    http://www.us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubu...mages/netboot/

    And, for that matter, the non-pae is also listed there. No change since 20120209.
    I did just exactly what you mentioned there. Last week I tired to install the non-pae and ended up installing the pae from the mini.iso. I believe they were the 20120206 versions I now have the 20120209 and will try it later.
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    Re: The non-pae mini.iso testing thread

    I'm performing some testing with the standard PAE version of the Precise mini.iso right now, and I've edited my OP quite a bit, but next I'm going to test the Oneiric mini.iso just as a matter of checking for differences in behavior.

    The Oneiric version is here:

    http://www.us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubu...mages/netboot/

    I particularly want to see if the Oneiric version has the same language support issue and if it's equally difficult to eject the CD when installation is complete.

    One more thing, I have a spare flash drive and given how seldom the iso is updated I do intend to try using a flash drive ............... not too sure how to accomplish that

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