(22:18:57) cjwatson: I very much recommend that you drop the idea of having the installer fiddle with xorg.conf and instead look at improving X's autodetection; there is a great deal more mileage in the latter approach
(22:19:32) cjwatson: thanks for the other links; I'll have a look when I'm next at a proper computer
(22:21:50) cjwatson: hah, I was actually writing parted tests this afternoon to try to nail down 856826
(22:22:11) cjwatson: is that the "kernels in the wrong place" bug, or are you referring to something else?
(22:23:26) phillw: I think it is, the annoying thing for me (and I'm sure for you) is that they discuss something, complain about it but when asked to file a bug & let me know the bug number it all goes deathly silent
(22:24:30) phillw: for getting X to autodetect, none of us have even the faintest idea where to even start. We're not coders.
(22:25:27) cjwatson: ask the X people
(22:26:02) cjwatson: #ubuntu-x should be able to help
(22:27:27) phillw: okies, I'll give it a go - but I do not have a Mac, so it is going to be tortuous!
(22:28:24) cjwatson: fair enough, but it is the right approach
(22:29:12) cjwatson: there's no infrastructure for creating an xorg.conf in certain circumstances in the installer, and it's not needed for any other hardware that I've heard of these days so I'm very unkeen on creating any
(22:29:16) phillw: I will see what can be achieved. I know we were really short of time, so realistically we are now looking at 12.10 :/ That option was a 'hack' for 12.04
(22:30:04) cjwatson: it's a bug fix; if it can be explained promptly and with clarity I don't see why it shouldn't be possible for 12.04
(22:38:10) phillw: so, what exactly should I ask on #ubuntu-x I'm an admin and wiki guy, it took pcman about three stressful days (for him) to teach me how to get the stuff i needed for ./configure and make onto my computer!
(22:38:52) cjwatson: point them to a clear bug report identifying how X is failing to autodetect hardware
(22:40:45) phillw: thanks, I'm sure we can manage that. I know some of the guys on PPC are 'shoulders sloped' because these things have gone on for so long. I think the new guys who have come in via lubuntu have given it a shot in the arm. It is, after all, the whole reason behind lubuntu ... up to date O/S for old kit
(22:41:00) cjwatson: and ask if there's any more information you can supply or if they can offer guidance on fixing it (best done by somebody with the hardware though)
(22:41:44) phillw: so it it will bug-report <package> --- which package?
(22:41:50) cjwatson: xorg